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This podcast is produced by fans of Veronica Mars, and is in no way affiliated with the UPN/CW network, Rob Thomas, or The Powers That Be, and does not reflect the views of any of the entities creating and producing the show. Skip to: SANDY: Hey Mars fans, you're listening to Neptune Pirate Radio. [Theme music] Opening Theme: Vancefurd – Pirate Song SANDY: Aargh. You're listening to Neptune Pirate Radio. This is one of your hosts, Sandy. With me are Theo and Scarlett. Say hi guys. SCARLETT: Hi. THEO: Hello. SANDY: Theo and I have actually been really good friends for several years now and we were discussing the ratings situation with the show and how unfortunate it was that we think this is the greatest show on television right now but so many people just haven't heard of it. Don't even know that it exists. And in trying figure out what we could do to help remedy that we saw a huge gap in Veronica Mars' sort of fan universe, and that was having the podcast. One just didn't exist. And we thought, there's a void we can fill. So before we get into the nuts and bolts of this particular podcast, I thought I'd take a little time and introduce you to myself, and Scarlett and Theo are gonna do the same. I'm Sandy. I'm in my mid-twenties. Twenty-five to be exact. And I'm actually a lawyer full-time, but what I really love to do is spend all of my time online obsessing about Veronica Mars because really, it's just that good. Theo, like I said, has been a friend of mine for a really g- long time. And I actually can take responsibility for the fact that I got him interested in Veronica Mars. THEO: [chuckles] SANDY: I'm responsible for getting him hooked. And I, I hope he appreciates that but I'm gonna turn it over- THEO: I do. SANDY: -Good, good. I'm glad you like that. So. Uh, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself? THEO: Well, thanks Sandy. Um. You did introduce me to Veronica Mars after what New York State considers to be a third-degree brow- brow beating I think. Um. I am twenty-five. I live in Brooklyn. Uh, and I am also an attorney. Um, not full-time though. I do a lot of temp work. But it's- keeps me in uh, Veronica Mars DVDs, so I can't complain. SANDY: [Laughs] That's all-important. THEO: You know, I'm not complaining, so uh. I'll take the crazy hours. But uh, anyway. I started watching it after the first season came out on DVD. And uh, I have to say very fondly that Sandy and I would watch them together. And that helped me a lot to uh, be able to talk to her during the episodes and she would give me cues as to what was great. And uh, I had to say I was hooked after the first few discs. And uh, I have her to thank for that. SANDY: Oh, good. Good. THEO: So, um. When we thought about filling that void, which uh, - [mumbled] I have to say, I enjoy - we thought of the podcast. And then we thought, oh my God, we are completely, technically insufficient in terms of actually getting this thing on the air. SANDY: We really are. We, it's- it's pathetic. THEO: It's sad. Honestly, if I lost my cell phone I don't... I think I would have to rent a new apartment because I would not be able to... SANDY: [Laughs] THEO: Uh, so we found uh, a knight or a... sort of a knight in shining armor in Scarlett. And she's here to tell us about herself. SCARLETT: Thank you. Basically, I would say that I'm more technically able than either of you. Just a little bit. SANDY: [Laughs] Just- A little bit. A little bit. SCARLETT: Shamefully I have to say I'm one of those awful, awful people who did not want to give Veronica Mars a chance. At all. SANDY: Oh yeah. SCARLETT: Originally... up until about the 18th episode of the first season I was convinced it was the worst show on television. And then I watched it. THEO: [Laughs] SCARLETT: And I'm your resident outsider. I actually hail from Scotland so, DVDs keeping me up to date here. [SANDY "Wahoo"] THEO: Wow. I have to say I'm with you. I was not for it until I actually saw it and then I loved it, so. SCARLETT: You definitely need someone to hold you down and make you watch it. SANDY: We should get on that. We should- SCARLETT: Just for that first time. SANDY: Yeah. I, I think that's totally true. SCARLETT: But basically we thought that the best way for you guys to get to know us a little bit would be to take a cue from Veronica Mars and play a little game, which we like to call, Two Truths and a Lie. SANDY: Yeah. Here we go. SCARLETT: This is gonna be fun. So Sandy, why don't you start us off. SANDY: Oh. Wow. Okay. On the spot. Um. I mean I knew we were gonna play this. I'm not gonna, you know, insult our audience and pretend that that was not at all planned. But, I... still, I feel a little on the spot. Uh, let's see. Um. I was a cheerleader, like Meg. I once whipped a whole table of boys at poker, just like Veronica. SCARLETT: Ooo. SANDY: And- THEO: I'm sorry. Did you say poker? SANDY: Po- Yes! SCARLETT: Yes. SANDY: I whipped the boys at poker, not with one. Um. And I was president of the school, my student body, just like Duncan. THEO: Oh wow. SCARLETT: I don't think you can play poker. THEO: And you think you know a girl. Uh. [Laughter] Uh, I'm gonna have to- SCARLETT: You should be good at this, Theo. THEO: I know! I- SANDY: And Theo should have a lock on this, quite honestly. THEO: I do! I do! But, uh. I think you were not student body president. SANDY: That's your guess? THEO: That's my guess. SANDY: And, and Scarlett didn't think I played poker. I'm sorry to disappoint you Scarlett, but I'm actually- SCARLETT: Nooooo. SANDY: I, I hold my own in poker and I have whipped up on a few tables full of boys uh, in my day. [Laughter] At poker, people. And- THEO: Okay. Sure. SCARLETT: Sure. SANDY: And, and Theo who actually knows me best is right, that I was in fact not president of the student body like Duncan. I have nothing in common with Duncan whatsoever. THEO: Hey- SCARLETT: That's probably... some people would say that's a good thing. SANDY: Some people. THEO: I would not necessarily, thank you. SANDY: I know. I know. Theo does, Theo's a huge Duncan fan and I am too. Um, all right. Well, since I've done it, Theo, why don't you give us your two truths and a lie. THEO: Uh, all right. I was born and raised in the South. Uh. Like Duncan, I was a member of a secret society. S&S: Oooooh. THEO: Mhmm. And uh, like Logan, probably, at least I hope so; I was the streaker at my high school graduation. SANDY: Ooh. I think- THEO: I, I'd like to s- I think that's not really gonna happen but I, I think that that would be very fitting for his character, so. SCARLETT: Some speculation there. SANDY: It would. THEO: I think he'd do it. I think he, he's uh, living large, so to speak. So. SCARLETT: [Laughter] Free spirit there. SANDY: Yes. Um. Well what do you think Scarlett? SCARLETT: I don't think you were raised in the South. SANDY: Now I know you were raised in the South, Theo. SCARLETT: Oh! I suck at this game! You guys cheated. THEO: Sorry. SANDY: Um. I don't think you were a streaker. I don't, I don't think you're a streaker. THEO: Oh, Sandy. I'm glad. I'm glad you know me. That's right. I was uh; I was not the streaker at my high school graduation. So. SANDY: Excellent. Do you like how Scarlett brought this game up and we're totally dominating her on it? [Laughter] THEO: I know! SCARLETT: I lose at this. THEO: Well, we did have- SCARLETT: Okay. I wanna do mine. Um. Okay. I have the exact same messenger bag as Veronica. My high school colors were the same as Neptune's. And, I share a surname with one of the characters. THEO: Oh wow. SANDY: Yeah, that's tough. I think... I think the surname thing is so specific that you wouldn't have come up with it if you, if it wasn't true, you know? So I don't think- SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: I think that's true. I think that's true. I don't think your school colors were green and white. THEO: Hmm. What do I think? Uh. You know what? I don't think you have the same messenger bag as Veronica. Just to, just to mix things up a bit, so. SANDY: All right. SCARLETT: Well, Sandy's right. My high school colors were blue, so. SANDY: Oh! THEO: Oh! SANDY: I win! I think I got- Well, I couldn't get my own right, but. All right. Well good way for me to start off. THEO: Oh yeah. Congratulations. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: And this is gonna be a running theme with us. Every time we have somebody come on and do a segment live with us and, you know, in the future I think we have some, some great ideas about some uh, some things we'd like to do- SCARLETT: Fun segments. SANDY: Yeah, some, some fan interviews and things like that. Just be prepared if you come on our site and you have a little chat with us, you're gonna have to do two truths and a lie. So just be thinking about it right now. If that's something you see in the foreseeable future. THEO: Absolutely. And speaking of which, uh, I think we should take this time to mention that, you know, we're welcome to suggestions. We'd love to hear from everyone listening, and if they have a suggestion for a good segment, please submit it. Please feel free to come to our website. www.neptunepirateradio.com And uh, give us a shout. And let us know what you want this to be, because this is here for you. So. SANDY: Exactly. SCARLETT: We'd love that. SANDY: Definitely. And also I think we should say right now that when you do go visit our website, we should give total props to that to Scarlett. We already sorta told you that she's our technical guru. Well, she's completely responsible for our website, so thank you for that Scarlett. THEO: That's right. And you can find out even more embarrassing facts about us if you go to our website and look at our team bios, so. SANDY: All right. And now to give us a little bit more info on the ratings, delve into them a little deeper, we have Mary on the line. Hey, Mary. SCARLETT: Hi, Mary. THEO: Hello, Mary. MARY: Hi. Hi, everybody. Um. I have good news, bad news which is- SANDY: Oh. Well let's start with the good news. MARY: Good news is we got three million viewers this week, which is better than last week and better than anything since One Angry Veronica. THEO: Excellent. SANDY: That is terrific. That's really good. MARY: Yeah. That's also- we got a 2.1/3 household share. And a 1.2- SANDY: Wait, wait, wait, wait. We gotta stop right there. I don't know what 2.1/3 household share is. MARY: Basically, the Nielson people kind of estimated that in the U.S. there are 110 million homes with a TV. And then they cast, you know, some random people, a few thousand people, with a Nielson meter. And um, crunched the numbers so that it corresponds. So the 2.1, the number before the slash, means percent of homes with a TV that were watching Veronica Mars this week. The three, the number after the slash, indicates the number of people that were actually, those TVs were actually on that day. That day and time that were watching Veronica Mars. Because some people, you know, are watching, you know. THEO: Sure. So the first number, the first number is actually the number of total televisions, the percentage of total televisions. And the second number is the percent of televisions that were actually turned on. MARY: Excellent. SANDY: Oh great. THEO: Great. SANDY: Okay, see I didn't get that at all. But now I know. And that's where- I couldn't figure out how 2.1 translated to three million. Well, what's the network think about that kind of number? MARY: Of course they like it. That's the best number they've got since One Angry Veronica. But they want what used to be the number they had, I think, before that hiatus. So. SANDY: Right. MARY: And it's, you know, ANTM got double the amount of viewers this week, so they're not really happy that they just, you know, kept 47 percent of them. SANDY: Right. THEO: Sure. MARY: And they're- the number they would be really happy about is the number we got that one time Lost was on repeat. That was 3.5 million viewers. And that's just a little bit more than we have here of late. THEO: Right. MARY: And also kind of a problem is that One Tree Hill and Everwood get better numbers. One Tree Hill only slightly, but Everwood's are kind of, you know, their demographic is 1.4, which is better than our 1.2. So it's really a difference, and that kind of- SANDY: What is the demographic? Why does the demographic matter? MARY: Demographic is the all-important consumer number of people between the age of 18 to 49. Everybody before and after that, you know, they don't spend money so they don't need to watch advertising, so no one cares. [Laughter] That number is actually what most people are really excited about, which is why CBS was really unhappy. It has so many old viewers. You know they're not- SANDY: Right. THEO: Right. MARY: -They're not appealing to advertisers. THEO: So what were the demographic numbers like for this episode of Veronica Mars? MARY: A 1.2. Which translates into, it's the total- Nielson also estimated that in the U.S. currently are living 130 million people between the ages of 18 and 49 and that's the percentage of them. That translates, actually, into 1.5 million viewers. THEO: Wow. SANDY: Okay. SCARLETT: Is that good or is that bad? MARY: It's kind of not too bad, not too good. Yeah, as I said, in total that 3.5 million viewers would be ideal for UPN. Which we haven't yet. SANDY: Well, now okay. If, if the fans want to sort of do something to help the efforts to get more people watching the show, is there anything out there that the average fan can do to help with that? To sort of get us more fans? MARY: Kidnap someone with a Nielson box and hold them hostage. [Laughter] SANDY: We're going back to Theo's Fitzpatrick plan with the duct tape. Duct tape is good for everything. THEO: I like that idea. I have to say it. The first viewing is an appealing option at this point. If it's that or lose the show, I'm not opposed to tying some people up. SANDY: I'm not either. Let's go wrangle some people downstairs right now. MARY: Well, I think a little bit more on the legal side would be like, uh, some people prepared the cheat sheets, which is, um, which can catch up the new viewers on, you know, the current characters featured in an episode. There's gonna be one up that shows pictures and texts and little character biographies, etc. THEO: Right. SANDY: Oh, great. MARY: It's very quick to read. You can find it on veronicafan.livejournal.com. And so, it's really really quick to catch up. SANDY: Excellent. THEO: Great. And I've actually encountered a lot of problems, because people say, you know, it's too late in the season. It's too late in the show. I'm not gonna understand what happens. MARY: Oh, no it's not. THEO: No, I agree. I think, I tell them there's always a way. And I think right now is one of the best times to start watching the show because- MARY: Oh yeah, the last, the ending's always the best, I think, you know. THEO: Absolutely. Absolutely. MARY: I think last season, I think, from Weapons of Class Destruction it just went into awesome. SANDY: Oh yeah. It's the riveting, can't turn off the TV part of the season. And we can definitely link that cheat sheet from our site, so if you're interested in catching up there, we can definitely set that link up for you. THEO: Sure. You can find it on www.neptuneradio.com SANDY: Actually, that's www.neptunepirateradio.com [Laughter] THEO: Oh, shit! Shit! I can't believe I did that. SCARLETT: Don't forget our pirate-ness! [AARGHs all around] THEO: I'm sorry. I worked all day. I'm taking the "I worked" defense, so. MARY: There also have been fan chats to catch up new viewers in real time. So if you're- I don't know the address, who's somebody who knows that? Sandy, do you? SANDY: Yeah, I do have that address. It's actually quite long. So what we're gonna do is just link it on our website and we'll have a link that directs you to that chat. It just takes a short registration and you are ready to go. THEO: Great. And you can find it at www.neptunepirateradio.com SANDY: That's right. pirateradio.com THEO: I messed it up earlier. I have to apologize. SANDY: Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. They'll get there. They'll get there. All right. Well, thank you very much, Mary. But, before you go we have a little rite of passage since this is your first time on the Veronica Mars podcast. MARY: Oh. THEO: Oh that's right. SCARLETT: Oh. SANDY: And what we're gonna do is have you play a little game that Veronica and Dean like to call Two Truths and a Lie. MARY: Okay. Um. Two truths and a lie, wait a minute. I'm the youngest of six children. I play basketball really, really, really well. And I'm 5'2. SANDY: So you're either a big family. You got a little Wallace action in you. Or you're like Veronica in a tiny, little blonde one. I think you're fudging on the number of children. I think you probably come from a family of like, five kids. SCARLETT: Yeah, six is kind of a big number. THEO: Uh, hold on. I'm gonna guess... I'm gonna guess you're taller than 5'2. 'Cause I think if you play basketball really well, you're probably taller than 5'2. MARY: Well, the reality is I don't play basketball. [Groans of disappointment] I'm, well I kind of suck at it. I'm, you know- SANDY: Because you're 5'2. Because you're 5'2. MARY: Yeah, exactly. I mean I can do three point field goals. That's really, you know, my specialty. You know, but that kind of doesn't get you anywhere. So, I suck. SCARLETT: No hanging off the hoops. MARY: No hanging off the hoops. SANDY: You're no Wallace Fennel. Your rebounds and assists aren't gonna get you into any colleges. MARY: I mean, well. I could, you know, if they kind of put it low. I think I could. SANDY: They set the bar really low. THEO: Yeah, we're gonna see what we can do about that. We're gonna talk to the NCAA, see if they can fix the height of the hoops from now on. SANDY: All right. Well thanks so much for dialing in, Mary, and we'll see you next week with our next ratings report. MARY: Okay. THEO: Thanks, Mary. SANDY: Bye-bye! MARY: Bye. SCARLETT: Bye. ["Sway" by The Perishers plays. Cameron, the transcriber, weeps with relief.] SANDY: Wow. I love LoVe. L, lowercase o, capital v, lowercase e, that song. SCARLETT: LoVe! I have to agree. Who doesn't love that song, and who doesn't love the usage of that song? SANDY: It is. It's perfect. SCARLETT: Wasn't it just perfect? SANDY: It was perfect. I think it's, you know, it's one of those things. I'm just gonna take a pause here. Fans, we're gonna do our best throughout the life of this podcast to be as non-fangirly as possible. [Laughter] SCARLETT: But we can't promise anything. THEO: I'm gonna try to balance that out a bit. Uh. I'll do what I can but there are some things you just don't wanna get between these two and their fangirlness. So uh, I'll do what I can. SCARLETT: It's safer that way. SANDY: It is safer. Well I think, you know, Scarlett, correct me if I'm wrong. A lot of us have been listening to the Veronica Mars soundtrack for months now. SCARLETT: Definitely. And there's been so much speculation about when the song would be used. If they would be used. SANDY: Yeah. Exactly. Right, like would they- I think we assumed that they would be in this season, but- SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: -you know. When. And, like most people out there who have been listening to the soundtrack, you know, you listen to the words of “Sway” and you sort of get a certain image in your mind... SCARLETT: And to be fair, if it haven't been Logan and Veronica I would have felt cheated. SANDY: I would have too. I would have too. SCARLETT: I will stand up and say it. SANDY: And I think, I think Rob Thomas was- he was messing with us a little bit there, starting it on Mac and Beaver. SCARLETT: Yeah. Me and a thousand fangirls standing up with our pitchforks. [Laughter] SANDY: I know. I was getting a little nervous. SANDY: Not that we don't love Mac and Beaver, but they're not Logan and Veronica. That's not their song. They need to get their own song. SANDY: Yeah. They can't be honing in on ours. Well let's talk about Mac and Beaver for a minute there cause we're gonna, we're gonna come back and talk about the Logan and Veronica scenes in a minute. But, let's talk about Mac and Beaver there for a minute. I was crushed. Crushed when he said- SCARLETT: Along with Mac. SANDY: I know. Oh, yeah. SCARLETT: Her poor face. SANDY: Tina Majorino sold that scene so well. SCARLETT: She really did. THEO: He seems... he seems so defensive. I really didn't know what to make of it. I've never seen this sort of thing from his character before. I thought that was a really nice addition. It gave him another sort of angle. SCARLETT: Oh yeah he's, he's usually so spineless. SANDY: He is. SCARLETT: You know, kind of subs to everyone and you kind of thought that Mac would play the more dominant role and it just didn't happen. SANDY: No, it didn't. And he's, you know he's been getting more and more of a background. I mean I think we've seen a lot of facets to, to Beaver's character. SCARLETT: Definitely in the last few episodes. SANDY: Yeah. With Kendall and whatnot. But, you know, I think there's been a lot of fan speculation out there. Is Beaver- is Cassidy homosexual? Is Cassidy a victim of abuse? What do you guys think? SCARLETT: I don't know. THEO: Oh wow. SCARLETT: Yeah. That's the only time you'll hear me admit that, but I really don't know. I think they might have something with the abuse storyline but it seems a bit obvious. SANDY: It does. SCARLETT: They're not usually one for obvious. SANDY: No, they're, they usually- they don't usually telegraph things. But, we are getting toward the end of the season, to be fair. SCARLETT: That's true. THEO: Mhmm. SANDY: They could be putting things a little more heavily. You know, here's my thing about the "is Beaver using Mac as a cover" relationship. SCARLETT: Is she his beard? SANDY: Right, is she his, you know, is she Teri Hatcher to his Ryan Seacrest? THEO: Ouch. SANDY: Yeah. I don't really think that she is. Because, you know, to me if you're gonna pick somebody as strictly a status thing to say, "look at me, I'm so straight." Wouldn't somebody who's an '09er like Cassidy pick somebody who he wouldn't necessarily receive any guff from Dick about? SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: He's clearly going out with Mac knowing that she's not an '09er, she's not the most popular girl in school. Dick's gonna give him a hard time. And if his whole purpose in doing so is to sort of alleviate that outside pressure, why pick a girl who's not Little Miss Popularity, you see what I'm saying? THEO: Well I think maybe he enjoys her for other reasons. It seems that they're very; they're both very smart and witty. Um. Maybe he's, you know, he figures if he's gotta fake this and be around her for quite a long time, he might as well pick someone he gets along with and he enjoys. But, you know, I'm not sure about either of those. I'm really interested to see what happens because I think his character has really just blossomed in the last couple episodes. That we've seen parts of him that we've never been shown before. And I'm really interested to see where the rest of the season takes him, so. SANDY: Yeah, I agree. I mean I think what was so shocking about that line, and I assume that everybody out there who's seen the episode knows what line we're talking about. But just to be clear, it's when he turns to Mac and says "Good luck getting laid" after they have the discussion about why the relationship isn't getting more physical. And I think for a long time we've sort of seen the softer side of Beaver. We've seen the Beaver that gets along with Veronica, the one who told her about Logan's alibi, the one who, you know, is sort of turning the tables on Kendall, the one who's warming up to Mac. And, that's a different sort of Cassidy then we saw from, you know, the Cassidy that was mocking Veronica for being Miss Trailer Park pageant. And I think with that line, that one line, he sort of reverted back to that bad Cassidy, the one who would stand on the sidelines with Dick and make fun of somebody like Veronica. THEO: I think so too. And who knew that in all the people in Cassidy's life, the person that he'd yell at for wanting to get laid would be Mac. SCARLETT: Yeah. THEO: I think that's, especially living in that house. Talk about a lack of positive moral guidance. SANDY: Definitely. Definitely. And, I think there's a lot going on there and it's just; I think it's too early. I think it's too early to know. They might- there's definitely some shady business going on with Woody. We know that he was a Little League coach so he had some interaction, some very close contact with these '09ers who are teenagers now, but who were, you know, 10, 11, 12 years old. I mean it's possible, right. THEO: It's always possible. SCARLETT: This is Veronica Mars. Anything can happen. THEO: That's true. SANDY: It's true. It's true. Um, I don't know how I'd feel about that if that were the storyline. But I'm interested to see how it plays out. I really hope that they sort of address that in the near future as opposed to making us wait. SCARLETT: Definitely. THEO: Well I hate to interrupt your discussion of Beaver and Mac, but um, let's move on to another more interesting coupling I think you guys have been waiting to sink your teeth into. [Laughter] SANDY: We're that obvious. SCARLETT: Who could that be? Who are you talking about, Theo? THEO: Yeah. I think that- I think that it's kind of apparent that we're talking about Veronica and Weevil. I think. No. SANDY: Oh, yes. The great un-lost love of Veronica Mars. Hey, there are a lot of people out there who are a fan of that pairing and I do think the actors have good chemistry together, so I'm not gonna begrudge them that. SCARLETT: Yeah. THEO: I think so too. I think they've got some great chemistry. And I'd really like to see more between those two. SANDY: Yeah, I thought their opening scene together was really, really great, actually. THEO: Yeah. Me too, I was surprised. I thought they did that very well. SANDY: The little battle of wills that they conducted. Very nice. SCARLETT: Oh, I've had temper tantrums like that. Stomping of feet. SANDY: Yes. Damn my curiosity! THEO: I've honestly spent the last half of this week looking for a moment to use the line: "No seriously. I'm gonna need fifty dollars if you want me to keep listening." SANDY: That is a great line. Well, I think by profession, actually. THEO: That's true. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: We could say that quite often. But I don't. I don't. SCARLETT: Just say it in a more subtle way. SANDY: Right. Right. Um, clock starts now. No, we're, we're editing that out, folks. We're editing that out. THEO: That's right, we're editing that out. SANDY: Um. All right, well let's actually talk about Logan and Veronica. Now, we actually saw a lot more of Logan and Veronica in this episode than we've seen from them in a long time and I think the show, you know, benefited. Whether you want Logan and Veronica making out, whether you want him bashing her headlights in, I think everybody just likes to see them on screen together. I think that's one thing we can all get behind. SCARLETT: They do have amazing chemistry no matter what they're doing. SANDY: And it was interesting- SCARLETT: Shouting. SANDY: Yeah. Shouting, uh, you know. Kissing, whatever. THEO: Sneering. There's a lot of sneering. SCARLETT: There is. THEO: It's good sneer. SCARLETT: But they were less hostile. There was less sneering in this episode, I feel. There was high-fiving and there was some gentle ribbing, but. THEO: Yeah. Especially from Logan. I have to say; I noticed that uh, he's the one that brought up her asking him to the Sadie Hawkins dance. Not the other way around. SANDY: True. THEO: So I wonder how much of that's teasing, how much of that was sort of an honest, you know, question. SCARLETT: Unrequited love. THEO: Ah, unrequited love. SANDY: I mean, I think you're right. I think you're right, Theo. Obviously he didn't honestly expect her to ask him to the Sadie Hawkins dance. SCARLETT: No. SANDY: But I think it says something that he was thinking about both the dance and her at the same time. Even if, even if he wasn't being serious in that particular expectation. It's not so far off. SCARLETT: It's hard to tell with Logan. There's a lot of bravado there. SANDY: Oh yeah. THEO: True. SCARLETT: To kinda cut through. SANDY: And I think we've been building up for a long time with these little lines. I mean there was the obvious line in The Quick and the Wed about "if love comes for me I'll be waiting at the espresso machine." But even earlier in that episode, Veronica talks about whether you're ever able to cut an axe out of your heart. And in this episode she gives Logan the bad boy label and then later goes on to say, oh girls always go for the bad boys. SCARLETT: The bad boys. SANDY: You know, sort of those little- There's been subtle, subtle little things. THEO: Mhmm. SCARLETT: There has. We're getting more. But whether or not- I don't really think I want them to go there yet. I want some tension first. SANDY: Yeah, I think if they get together; if it's the writers' intention for them to ultimately get together, I think if they do it too soon and then just turn around and break them up again, I'm gonna feel really cheated. SCARLETT: You'll just lose your trust. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: Yeah. Either way. We don't wanna do the back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth... SCARLETT: I think that's what I didn't like about the triangle. The Logan/Veronica/Duncan triangle. I didn't have anything against Veronica and Duncan. I just didn't like the whole bouncing between them thing. THEO: Well, I'm not sure, and I know people will disagree with me and that's fine; I'm not sure Logan's really grown much. SCARLETT: No. THEO: I know going through a trial and going through your father's trial, or at least this sort of, you know, the suspected murder, I know that changes you. But I really haven't seen that much of a change in Logan from the beginning of the season when he treated Veronica so poorly to, you know, up 'til now. And I'm not saying it's impossible and I'm saying that I'd love to see it happen. But until then I don't think she'll have anything to do with him in that sense. SCARLETT: I'd agree with you. SANDY: Yeah, I definitely think he's gotta earn it a little more. THEO: Oh yeah. SANDY: That's what was so great to me about the dance scene, is that you could see in that scene that their history was still there. The chemistry is still there. There are definitely feelings still there. But it's not like Veronica is just diving into the relationship with her eyes closed again, you know? THEO: Yeah, absolutely. SCARLETT: What I loved about that scene is the song “Sway” was so perfect, but it was played within the narrative. So we know that they're reacting to the song we're hearing. Unlike other moments where obviously the characters are not hearing the songs that we are. SANDY: Right. That's a really good point. They were listening to the lyrics as they were dancing, just like we were listening to the lyrics as they were dancing. SCARLETT: Exactly. So everything we can relate to them, they could relate to themselves. [pause] Had they not been fictional characters, obviously. SANDY: Right. Right. But, the characters were listening to those same lyrics that we all thought for months and months and months applied so well to their relationship. And I think that that was a really nice way to use the song. Although I definitely think Rob was messing with us by starting it off... starting it off with another couple and then cackling evilly from his office in Los Angeles as he knew- SCARLETT: There was maniacal glee. SANDY: Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know. He knew exactly what he was doing to us. Thanks, Rob. We love you. THEO: I'm sure there's a lot of maniacal cackling coming from that office. SANDY: Oh yeah. Especially right about now as the theories about what's going on continue to grow. THEO: Oh yeah. SANDY: And people are going off on incorrect tangents or getting really close to the truth. SCARLETT: Just like us. SANDY: Yes. Just like us. SCARLETT: I'm sure he'll be laughing at us one day. THEO: I am actually the uh, Crown Prince of Tangents. So. I'm sure I'll go off on several before the end of the season, so. SANDY: Yeah. I'm sure we'll all have our crazy theories. SCARLETT: Excellent. THEO: Yeah. Apologies beforehand. And I, of course, deny I ever said any of this, so. SANDY: Yeah. 'Cause we don't have it recorded for posterity or anything. SCARLETT: No. THEO: That's right. No. SCARLETT: It's not gonna be on our website or anything. SANDY: Or downloadable from various media outlets. [CAMERON: Or transcribed] SANDY: All right. Well. I don't want us to lose all of our Logan/Veronica momentum or our Mac and Beaver momentum in this one particular podcast. I think we're gonna listen to a little music to take us out and we'll be back with our music section. [Music plays. It's mellow and cool. You should listen to it. Cameron, the transcriber, is loving it. Bloodwire – Absence ] THEO: Hi. Welcome back to Neptune Pirate Radio. The next segment we have is the music segment and uh, it's going to be brought to you by Bailey. I have to sing Bailey's praises. Sandy and I came up with the idea for the podcast a few weeks ago and we were worried about the music segment. And we contacted Bailey, and she has just really come through for us. It's, it's been amazing. I can't say thank you enough, Bailey. SANDY: It really has. It's been terrific. And Bailey's actually the one who's responsible for all the terrific music that you've heard here on the podcast today. That awesome, awesome song that we've already discussed earlier has been obtained by Bailey. So, she's definitely the go-to girl for all of this and we really appreciate all of her help. Hey, Bailey. SCARLETT: Hi, there. BAILEY: Hi, everybody. How is everybody doing tonight? [Greetings all around] SANDY: Tell us a little bit about the music we heard this week on Veronica Mars. BAILEY: Okay. SANDY: There were some good songs, you know, they were okay. They were all right. BAILEY: There was some pretty good music. The first song that we hear is in the River Styx where Liam Fitzpatrick is basically like, reaming Molly out about how Felix used her as a piece of meat and everything. That was "If I Were a Storm" by the Wild Seeds. SANDY: Is that on the soundtrack? Where could we get that song? BAILEY: Well, it's on their I'm Sorry I Can't Rock You all Night Long album. 1984-89. And it was released in 2001. The group has broken up, but you can find more out about them at michaelhall.org/wildseeds. SANDY: Okay. Cool. THEO: Great. BAILEY: This episode didn't have- it wasn't like, nonstop music. So the next time we hear a song is the first scene at the Neptune High Sadie Hawkins Dance. And it's Mere Mortals' song "Lost Art" which was also used in episode 2.15, The Quick and the Wed. SANDY: Okay. I thought I heard that before. I thought it seemed familiar. BAILEY: Right. Yeah, it's when Logan is in the convenience store and people are giving him the evil eye, and he's getting spit on, and all that. SANDY: Oh. Okay. Right, right. SCARLETT: Such a lovely moment. BAILEY: Oh yeah. [Laughter] SANDY: Yeah, spit on? SCARLETT: Poor boy. BAILEY: Poor Logan. THEO: Oh, yeah. Poor Logan. [sarcastic] SANDY: Hey, he had to get spit on during that song, and then he's gotta put up with Gia. BAILEY: Yeah. Oh gosh. SANDY: It's not a good; I mean it's a great song. It's just not a great song for Logan. BAILEY: Well, you can find out more about the group and that song at their MySpace page, which is www.myspace.com/meremortals. SANDY: And we'll link that from neptunepirateradio.com BAILEY: Right. And then the next song I'm gonna talk about I guess you guys have already talked about it, was "Sway" by The Perishers. SANDY: Well we haven't so much talked about it as we listened to it a little bit. SCARLETT: Just a little. Not on repeat. BAILEY: I'm sure a lot of people have been waiting not so patiently to hear it. And, as I was saying before, hopefully everybody heard it because there was this mirror-shattering collective squealing of Veronica/Logan shippers everywhere. SANDY: Oh yeah. It broke the sound barriers. BAILEY: Right. Yeah. THEO: Sandy. Sandy, I think I heard a little bit of that from you. SANDY: I plead the fifth on that. THEO: Whatever. SANDY: I will not relate how close I was to my television during that scene or how many times I listened to that song after watching that scene. THEO: Well, in that case, I will not relate the contents of our instant message discussion during that scene. How about that? SANDY: Okay, that's fair. That's fair. Scarlett's just as guilty as I am. [Laughter] SCARLETT: Oh, I don't think.... THEO: Blame someone else, Sandy. Blame someone else. Okay, Bailey. Tell us a little bit more about that song. BAILEY: Okay. Well. As I'm sure most of you know, it's available on the Veronica Mars soundtrack. It's also available on The Perishers' album, "Let there be Morning", which is available at Amazon, of course. And you can also purchase it at their MySpace page, which is myspace.com/theperishers. You can preview their music there and you can download a couple mp3s. It's a really nice little page to look at. SANDY: We'll try to link to them as well. BAILEY: And the final song of the episode, which is "Gravity/Falling Down Again" by Alejandro Escovedo. It's used during the Shark Field demolition where first we see Liam Fitzpatrick and Danny Boyd handcuffing Thumper in the stadium's bathroom. Then it takes us all the way through the discovery of Thumper's bike and Logan blowing up the stadium, and pretty much being an unknowing part of a murder. And it takes us all the way to the end where Weevil confesses. It's a really great song and it just- SANDY: It's so perfect for that scene. It was so chilling. BAILEY: Exactly. THEO: You know. I have to admit I did not figure out that it was Shark Field until the very end and it sort of hit me. Especially when that song was playing. BAILEY: I didn't realize that either. I thought, why are they chaining him? I thought it was like, some sort of public humiliation thing. SCARLETT: In a bathroom. BAILEY: Yeah. I was like, what's that? At first I thought they were at Neptune High. And then when I see Thumper's face as the building starts to implode, I'm like, oh my God. SANDY: See, I actually saw that coming. And I thought that even if you felt it was telegraphed, even if you saw it coming, it was even more chilling. When you know that it's coming it's almost creepier, because you see everybody watching in sort of gleeful anticipation for this demolition and not being aware of what's about to happen. I know that when I was watching I was sort of holding my breath saying, is somebody gonna save him? Is somebody gonna save him? BAILEY: Exactly. What always gets me is how they jump during that whole entire scene. They jump from person to person. It's kind of like tying people in, in a way. Like all the people at the demolition ceremony, all these different people that are somehow tied into his murder unknowingly, you know? SCARLETT: Yeah. Implicating them. BAILEY: Exactly. And it's just chilling to me. Because it's like, you've got Logan, who's there pushing the plunger, and he has no idea. And you've got Veronica watching it on TV, but she also helped the investigation and she failed in getting Thumper the legal way. She knew it was coming, so she's a part of it. And it's amazing how many people are just a part of this whole thing. THEO: Plus you have Woody, who finds out that there's a bike in there suspiciously and says go ahead with the demolition. BAILEY: Exactly. SCARLETT: You know what is the creepiest thing though? Guys. Those small children laughing. What was that about? THEO: Oh! SANDY: It was totally creepy. THEO: I agree. SCARLETT: That's part of the song. BAILEY: I know. SANDY: I didn't know that that was part of the song at all. SCARLETT: It is. It's part of the song. BAILEY: Well, it is part of the song. Because at first I thought they had edited it in. And I thought maybe it had something to do with the kids we saw in front of the church or something. But then, after listening to the song, I realized it was in the song. Creepy little kids laughing just freaks me out, period. But in that context it was like, whoa. SANDY: Yeah, in that context it definitely added to the creepy factor. BAILEY: Yeah. SANDY: So, why don't you tell us a little bit about some of the music that's not on the soundtrack that we've been listening to throughout the podcast. BAILEY: Okay. Well, um. Licensing music isn't a very fun thing to do. THEO: Amen. SANDY: We've learned. BAILEY: Yeah. When you finally get a hold of the right people or the "important people", if they actually give you a response it's usually not what you're hoping for. But there's a really great site out there called Podshow, which is very good for podcasters and people looking for podcasts. They have a sister site that's a Podsafe Music Network. What it is is artists who allow their music to be used on a podcast free of charge, free of everything. There's so much music on there, so much great music. Basically, I just went through and listened. I chose songs that either spoke directly to this episode, like, that reminded me of the themes in this episode. Or songs that just reminded me of Veronica Mars as a whole, that I feel would fit in perfectly in the show. THEO: Yeah. I think there's a lot of great music on that site and I think you picked some of the best for this episode. SCARLETT: Well, thank you, Bailey. But before we let you go we're gonna have to make you play two truths and a lie. BAILEY: Oh God. SCARLETT: Yeah. I think you remember Veronica and Dean playing it. You've gotta know how it goes. We've all done ours, so. Shoot. BAILEY: All right. Put me on the spot, why don't you? Okay. Let's see. Two truths and a lie. Uh, Veronica Mars is smarter than me. Okay. I happen to have a jackass living in a pen in my backyard and sometimes he is a little psychotic. [Laughter] SANDY: Is he obligatory though? That's the question. THEO: Is his name Logan? SCARLETT: Where can I get one? BAILEY: No his, his name is not Logan. Um, let's see. One more. I love Dick and Beaver. Often at the same time. SANDY: Woo! [THEO laughing] SANDY: Wow. Wow. I don't wanna touch that one. SCARLETT: I think that's the best. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna make a guess. I don't think you have a jackass living in your backyard. SANDY: Maybe he lives in your bedroom. That's the twist. THEO: Hmm. I'm, um. Hmm. I don't wanna insult your intelligence by saying that uh; you are not as smart as Veronica Mars. So I will say, I don't think you love Dick and Beaver at the same time. SANDY: You know, I'm confident, Bailey, that you're as smart as Veronica Mars, but I think you would say that Veronica Mars is smarter than you. So, I'm not gonna pick that one. Um. I'm a little afraid to pick the Dick and Beaver at the same time... THEO: I think you're just afraid to say it. SANDY: Well, clearly I already have. So, that's the one I'm gonna go with. That's the one I'm gonna go with. All right. Well why don't you tell us. Who's right? Who's wrong? BAILEY: Okay. Well. Unfortunately, I do not have a psychotic jackass in my backyard. THEO: Oh! SANDY: Oh! THEO: That was a great decoy answer. [SCARLETT rejoices] BAILEY: Man, I really had you guys with that one, I know. SANDY: You did. You did. All right. BAILEY: I did. I know. THEO: We bit down hard on that. BAILEY: Yeah. SANDY: You're crafty. It's because we can't see your eyes. That's why. SCARLETT: Curses. THEO: It's true. BAILEY: That's exactly what it is. THEO: All right. SANDY: Well, why don't you take us out. Is there anything else you want to tell us about this week's music? BAILEY: Well, there is something that I do have to say. It's a little artist's profile/recommendation for everybody. I just mentioned Mere Mortals and their song "Lost Art" a few minutes ago. And I just have to say that these people are awesome, music-wise and in general. Before I get to the good stuff I just wanna give a little background on how we got to use their music. I touched on the fact that the licensing business is not very fun. It's very frustrating at times. And after four days of emailing everybody under the sun and only getting about two or three replies, I was about to give up. I emailed Mere Mortals. And before I know it, I am able to use their song on this podcast, and I'm also getting cds in the mail. [Wows all around] BAILEY: So, they've been very open and I think that it's that really great relationship that all artists should have with their fans. Because basically, you know, I don't want to get to political or anything, but we're what keeps them going. So I think that that symbiotic relationship; it's important for that to exist. THEO: Right. Speaking of things that keep them going, did you mention that they have a MySpace site we can visit? BAILEY: They do. It's www.myspace.com/meremortals. And I just have to say a little more about them. Their music is just amazing. It's revolutionary and it's beautiful. Some of their fans include Steve Jones from The Sex Pistols, which is awesome, and Mayor of the Sunset Strip, Rodney Bingenheimer. And they've both actually used Mere Mortals music on their radio stations in LA. SANDY: Wow. BAILEY: If you can't trust those two people, who can you trust, right? THEO: Absolutely. BAILEY: One of my favorite songs, Cracked, is going to be on the soundtrack of the major motion picture, State's Evidence, which is about a teen suicide pact. They're also doing a new promo cd right now. But, while you're waiting you can listen to their songs on their MySpace. And while you're there please leave a note telling them how great you think they are. They're shopping around for a record label right now and anything can help. They have an EP out which is available at their website, which is meremortalsmusic.com. SANDY: All right. Great. And I think we have one of their songs right now that we're gonna play that's gonna take us out of the segment. So thanks so much for stopping by, Bailey. BAILEY: No problem. Thank you for having me. THEO: Can you tell us which song this is? BAILEY: We're about to listen to their song "Lost Art", which was just featured in Plan B, and also in The Quick and the Wed. Obviously someone on Veronica Mars has excellent music tastes. Yeah. Enjoy it. SANDY: All right. Thanks, Bailey. THEO: Thanks very much. BAILEY: All right. Thank you. [Byes all around] [Music. Mere Mortals – Lost Art. Cameron, the transcriber, rejoices. Not only because the typing will pause, but also because the music is kickass. www.meremortalsmusic.com] SCARLETT: Welcome back to Neptune Pirate Radio. Next we've get Emily and she's gonna bring you the news. EMILY: Entertainment Weekly had a reaction article to the episode titled Plan B. In it, the article talks about Steve Guttenberg's inherent geniality, and how that geniality makes his role in Veronica Mars rather creepy. Mac and Beaver's relationship was touched upon, as well as speculation about Woody and Beaver's history. The Entertainment Weekly article also talks about Weevil's role in the episode, saying that "it was a pivotal outing" for him as he helped resolve one of the season's mysteries. EMILY: Also this week, Keith Mars is considered to be one of TV’s best dads. Personally, I agree wholeheartedly. Fans got a special treat when visiting tvguide.com's Insider news this week. Rob Thomas answered a few of the fans' burning questions about Veronica Mars. When asked a question about Kendall's purpose in the shower in the episode titled The Quick and the Wed, Rob replied that Kendall was in Duncan's shower, not Logan's, and that he tried to show that by placing pictures of Veronica and Duncan close by. It is clear, however, that a lot of fans missed the smaller clue. Rob also noted that Kendall was removing something from the shower. SCARLETT: Hmm. EMILY: Wonder what it could have been? In the Q&A, Rob answered questions about Hannah, Troy, Veronica's mother, and Alicia and Keith's relationship. Of particular note, Rob was asked about the origin of Weevil's nickname. He said, "To tell you the truth, I named him Weevil for the pilot because I liked the sound of it. It rhymed with Weevil, after all." Rob also said that he is currently in discussions for Veronica Mars in novella form. I'd certainly be up for reading that. P.S. Rob- More Veronica and Logan, please. EMILY: Also this week, in tvguide.com's Ask Matt, Friday, April 8th edition, Matt displayed a bit of optimism about Veronica Mars's future, listing it among other UPN “slam dunks.” Hopefully, Matt will be proven right. You can check out his column, as well as Insider news at tvguide.com, though beware of spoilers. EMILY: On April 5th, Michael Muhney, who plays Sheriff Lamb, participated in an exclusive interview with IfMagazine.com. In it, Michael speculated about his character, including the idea that his character would die within the first episode of Season 3. Huh. However, it is only conjecture on Michael’s part. Also, in the interview Michael talks about his character and what Lamb’s background is, asking, “How did Keith Mars treat me when he was Sheriff?” I consider it a very valid question, and am particularly interested to hear the answer. You can check out the rest of the interview at www.ifmagazine.com/feature EMLY: Damon Lindelof, one of Lost’s creators, recently said he got TiVo for his home so that he is able to watch Veronica Mars. Lindelof says, “I love that show. It is awesome. It is probably my favorite show right now and I didn’t discover it until fairly late in the season, but now I’m hooked.” Better late than never, Damon. Welcome to the Veronica Mars fandom. EMILY: Cast siding news on HBO’s comedy, Big Love, which will air tonight [April 9th]. Be sure to look for series regular Amanda Seyfried, who played the slain Lilly Kane on Veronica Mars. Guests Kyle Gallner and Tina Majorino, Beaver and Mac, respectively, both play friends of regular cast members. You can check out screencaps of the three Veronica Mars cast members at the LiveJournal community: veronica_mars. Alona Tal, who plays Meg, was on the WB’s 7th Heaven last week, and may possibly be in more episodes. Look for her on Monday night at 8/7 Central. EMILY: Lastly, don’t forget to vote for the show’s renewal. You can vote for Veronica Mars at: www.savemyshow.com/shows/veronicamars Also vote on E!Online at: www.eonline.com/gossip/kristen/archive2005/poll Vote also for your CW lineup and sign a petition to show that Veronica Mars does indeed have an audience. All of those links will be included in the show notes so be sure to check that out. We have to do whatever is necessary to keep the show on the air. That’s the news for this fine Sunday, on April 9th, 2006. I’m eagerly awaiting the next episode. Back to you guys. SCARLETT: Why don’t we have a chat about what Weevil was up to this week? SANDY: Oh, Weevil. Weevil, Weevil, Weevil. SCARLETT: He’s not exactly the nicest boy. THEO: I thought that was an amazing way to end the episode, with Weevil in confession. I think that was- that was incredible. SCARLETT: It was beautiful shooting as well. The actual camera angles and such. SANDY: Oh yeah. I thought it was brilliant. SCARLETT: Spectacular. SANDY: I thought it was a nice tie-in with the Fitzpatricks given that it’s- it might not be the same church, but there’s still that idea that there’s the Fitzpatrick brother who’s in the confessional and listening to the confessions, and that’s where Thumper was doing his business. I mean it was really nice thematically to tie that all together. Now, Scarlett and I have had a discussion about this before, and one of the things I think would be really interested in is to get your feedback on this, Theo, since we are on complete opposites- well, not complete opposites. But we definitely have different opinions. And the question is, if Veronica finds out what Weevil did, what do you think her reaction is gonna be? THEO: Oh wow. I have to say, if anyone in Neptune does, she understands how the system works. And I don’t think for a second she was surprised at Lamb sort of ignoring the evidence and saying, oh there’s plenty less I could do. Um. I don’t think she would have done it the same way herself. But I think she understands why he set up Plan B the way he did. And I don’t think she necessarily disapproved, but I don’t think she’d be too wild about it. So, I think she’ll probably be on the fence, just like I am about it. SCARLETT: See I don’t. I think that she knows the system, but this season we’ve seen kind of an idealistic Veronica, and I don’t think she’s gonna be up with the murder. You know? I think she’s gonna be- she’s quite judgmental. She’s quick to come to an idea about someone else’s actions that may not necessarily be something she would do herself. But, you know, she’s kind of do as I say and not as I do. THEO: So you think she’ll disapprove of Plan B. SCARLETT: I do. SANDY: I’m not saying that Veronica’s going to be one hundred percent behind the plan, because I don’t think Veronica is going to logically condone ending somebody’s life, especially in the horrific way that they did the Thumper scene. But I do think that if anybody would understand what it’s like to search for your best friend’s killer, and have justice not be done, it’s gonna be Veronica. I mean that’s the whole first season of this show. SCARLETT: That’s true. SANDY: And I think there’s a side of her that, although she wouldn’t actually go until Aaron Echolls was dead, as is evident from the last season when she had the opportunity and she didn’t follow through with that; I think that there’s a part of her that is going to understand that impulse. THEO: Right. SANDY: That desire to get justice by- SCARLETT: Exact revenge. SANDY: Right. Right. You know, because she is vengeful. Veronica is vengeful. THEO: Well, in support of Scarlett’s theory, now that I think about it, she was very cynical about the whole system in the first season. But now that the system seems to have worked and Aaron Echolls is behind bars, maybe she’s a little more trusting that you know, in the end everything will come out okay. I don’t know. Maybe she will be a little more disapproving. But I also think that Weevil didn’t, you know, there’s a good defense for Weevil. He didn’t kill him. He didn’t kill Thumper. He just set things in motion and bad people did what bad people do. I think she would understand that. SCARLETT: That’s true. SANDY: But he knew. It’s very clear that Weevil knew. He didn’t pull the trigger, but he put the gun in the villain’s hands. He knew what happened to Gustavio Toombs, that he just completely disappeared. I mean he knows what kind of people the Fitzpatricks are, and he knew exactly what was going to happen to Thumper when he did what he did. THEO: I think he definitely had an inkling of what would happen, what Thumper’s fate would be. SANDY: I think it’s beyond an inkling. I mean he had a conversation on the show with Sean where Sean said if you’re short a dime bag they’re gonna take a blowtorch to you. I mean he knew what was gonna happen. And I think in a lot of ways you can’t say that just because he didn’t stick the knife in, or he didn’t, you know, tie into- I mean you could say the same thing about the Fitzpatricks. Well, they didn’t actually pull the trigger; they just put him in a place where he was in danger. Well, that’s all Weevil did. THEO: That’s true. SANDY: He put him in a place where he was in danger. So if the Fitzpatricks are culpable, than Weevil’s culpable. If we were just looking at who executed the murder, than we’d have to look at Logan. And I think that was a nice touch on the writers’ part to put him in that position where he’s actually the one directly responsible for Thumper dying. THEO: I definitely think that was some nice symmetry there. I liked that. SCARLETT: The irony was just; it was too much. The fact that he’s just been cleared for the murder of a PCHer, and he’s right back where he started if anyone finds out. If they find out. SANDY: Oh yeah. THEO: I wonder if they will. SCARLETT: Because I don’t know how likely it is that they’ll find a body in that rubble, you know. SANDY: I don’t think they will. SCARLETT: I don’t know a lot about construction. [Laughter] SANDY: Much like we don’t know much about websites. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: I think they were making a point by saying that the motorcycle is going to be turned to dust. SCARLETT: See that’s what I was thinking. SANDY: …Metal and chrome and- SCARLETT: Flesh. SANDY: Yeah. I think that if one is turned to dust, it’s quite likely that Thumper’s gonna be completely demolished as well. THEO: That’s true. But I think it’s also revealing that someone noticed the motorcycle. It didn’t just completely disappear. After the fact, they’ll be looking for a motorcycle with, you know, a red body with a black spider painted on it. And perhaps the foreman of the demolition site will say, oh there was one chained up. SCARLETT: Yeah, but we just left it there. THEO: I know. I know. SCARLETT: We’re sick of doing our jobs. THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: Neptune’s a corrupt place. THEO: Who would turn down a free motorcycle? Go. Unchain it. Take it. Enjoy it. SANDY: Creepy Woody Goodman. Creepy Woody Goodman. THEO: Creepy Woody Goodman indeed. SCARLETT: I’m never just calling him Woody again. He’s getting the Creepy prefix forever. SANDY: He really has earned it. THEO: We have got to come up with a better nickname than Creepy Woody Goodman. And I think that’s a challenge- SCARLETT: No! I like Creepy Woody Goodman. THEO: I think that should be a challenge for our listeners. Come up with a good nickname for Creepy Woody Goodman. SCARLETT: neptunepirateradio@gmail.com THEO: That’s right. SCARLETT: Email us. SANDY: Send your suggestions for Creepy Woody Goodman’s new name. We’re gonna get Scary Woody Goodman, Slightly Disturbing Woody Goodman. THEO: There’s Something Not Quite Right About Woody Goodman. [Laughter] SANDY: Exactly. Whatever your suggestion is, feel free to send it like Scarlett says to: neptunepirateradio@gmail.com THEO: That’s right. We’ve been on the air for a while now and I think that brings us to the end of the first podcast. The first Neptune Pirate Radio podcast. And I’d like to thank my two co-hosts, Sandy and Scarlett. [Woos all around] THEO: I’d like to also say before leaving that we appreciate everyone listening to us. We’re just trying to help a show we really like, and we hope you really like it as well. And we want to hear from you. We want to hear from you at: neptunepirateradio@gmail.com Please feel free to send us any suggestions for segments, uh, any ideas you have to help us do our jobs better. We’d like to hear from you, and if you’ve got a great idea for a segment nothing says you can’t come on and record it with us. We’d love to talk to you. So, like I said: neptunepirateradio@gmail.com Or, visit our website at: www.neptunepirateradio.com Thank you very much for listening. [Music plays] Closing Theme: Brent Pocker – Neptune’s Water [END BROADCAST] [Cameron, the transcriber, thanks everyone for reading and listening. The transcriber also thanks the team members who have worked so hard to create this podcast in support of Veronica Mars. Thank you.] [END TRANSCRIPT] |