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This podcast is produced by fans of Veronica Mars, and is in no way affiliated with the UPN/CW network, Rob Thomas, or The Powers That Be, and does not reflect the views of any of the entities creating and producing the show. [Greeting of many greetings again. Cameron supposes that this is a permanent thing now. The Loop: She is out of it.] [OPENING THEME MUSIC: Vancefurd- Pirate Song] SANDY: Aargh! Veronica Mars’ fans, we’re back with another podcast and- brace yourselves, because I am here with not only Scarlett… SCARLETT: Woohoo! SANDY: …but Scarlett and Theo. THEO: That’s right. SANDY: We’re all here! SCARLETT: Reunited! THEO: The original three. SANDY: It’s like the trio. THEO: And it feels so good. SCARLETT: That’s such a crap name, the original three. We need like, like the uh… I don’t know. The threatening three or… THEO: Threatening three? The triumvirate. SCARLETT: What’s a cool word- the triumphant three. What’s a cool word that starts with T? SANDY: Turbulent? THEO: Turbulent. [Laughter] SCARLETT: That’s the best one. The turbulent three. SANDY: Tumescent? Um. I don’t know. I’m not good at T words. SCARLETT: I think we just lost all of our listeners right now. [CAMERON: I…] SANDY: They’re like, wow. They’re talking about- THEO: Bye, everyone. SANDY: They’re talking about vocabulary. SCARLETT: Bye. It was nice to know you. SANDY: All right. SCARLETT: Oh well. SANDY: Oh well. SCARLETT: We had a good run while it lasted. SANDY: Yeah. You know. It was a fun time. THEO: We’re really not going anywhere. SCARLETT: But we have stuff to talk about today that’s not about us, don’t we? THEO: That’s right. SANDY: Yes. We do. Actually. We do have things. THEO: We have lots. SANDY: First of all, we have the second part of the Josh Kramon interview in this podcast. We made you guys wait three weeks for it. We thought, you know, we’d just bubble up that intensity even more. And you were there, Scarlett. You got to talk to him. SCARLETT: We’re just teases like that. SANDY: How was he? SCARLETT: I was there. He was very cool. He’s- how was he? [Laughter] SCARLETT: I just talked to him, Sandy. But he was very nice. He’s very good to uh, interview because he gives very detailed answers. So it was very cool. It was interesting ‘cause a lot of stuff I didn’t know. I’m not quite as much of a music geek as Josh Kramon or Bailey, so. I learned a lot. SANDY: Yeah. I think I would have been totally useless but I’m still sad that I wasn’t there. SCARLETT: I just kind of nodded at the microphone quite a lot, which obviously didn’t pick up any sound. But I was there nodding along. [Laughter] SANDY: We- we can just visualize. THEO: I can hear you nodding if that makes you feel any better. SCARLETT: Next time I’ll just say nod. Nod. Nod. SANDY: Yeah. That won’t get annoying at all. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: All right. SCARLETT: How could I be annoying? [Long pause] [Laughter] SANDY: Aw. You’re not annoying. [Laughter] SCARLETT: I love how there’s no answer there. SANDY: I- you’re not annoying. SCARLET: Sandy, you’re booted. Get out. SANDY: You can’t boot me. SCARLETT: Me and Theo are taking over. THEO: Wow. Ow. Okay. Let’s just get along. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: Let’s all just calm down a bit. SCARLETT: But we have more stuff that’s like bringing people together and us together. Let’s talk about happy, bringing together-ness. SANDY: I think we should. Um. Last week we launched www.thepch.net, which is a joint venture with www.marsinvestigations.net and www.watchveronicamars.net. And what it is, is if you’re familiar with Harry Potter at all um, and their sort of fandom, they have the Floo Network. This is sort of like a Veronica Mars equivalent of that. It’s one-stop shopping if you don’t wanna subscribe to an RSS feed for our show and www.marsinvestigations.net and www.watchveronicamars.net in order to find out if our transcripts are up or if there is a new news item out. You can just subscribe to one RSS feed that will update you and let you know when any of our three sites have big news on the horizon. SCARLETT: Very cool. SANDY: Yeah. I think it’s… SCARLETT: I know it’s good for lazy people like me. [Laughter] SANDY: Yes. THEO: Me too. [CAMERON: Me three.] SANDY: Well I- SCARLETT: I’ll throw that out there. I’m lazy enough. [Talking all at once. Cameron has made her policy on this clear.] SANDY: Well, so am I. And there’s just, you know, each of our sites brings a little something different. And so this way, you know, you can go to Mars Investigations for all of the information about the show. You can come to us to hear us ramble on, sometimes incoherently about the show. SCARLETT: And on and on and on. SANDY: Or you can go to Watch Veronica Mars to find out how you can help save the show. THEO: I think rambling on and on is our true appeal, actually. So. SANDY: Yeah. [Cameron respectfully disagrees.] SCARLETT: This is true. This is how we’re saving. THEO: TT. [TT= That’s true.] SCARLETT: One pointless ramble at a time. SANDY: Exactly. That’s really all we bring to the table. But hopefully you guys enjoy it. You know. SCARLETT: Exactly. [Interrupting and “go ons” and GET ON WITH IT.] SCARLETT: I don’t know what I was gonna say, Sandy, so you should really speak. [Laughter] SANDY: All right. Well. SCARLETT: It’s been so long since we were all together. I just need to tangent. I need to tangent. SANDY: You just wanna take us off on a random direction. SCARLETT: Cut in there! SANDY: All right. Well this is something that I think every true Veronica Mars fan knows already, but obviously season two DVDs came out on Tuesday. Awesome. And I don’t know about you guys, but I busted out my DVD set and watched the special features the second that I got them. SCARLETT: Gag reel! THEO: How exciting. SANDY: The gag reel was awesome. Eight full minutes of Veronica Mars goodness. I think my favorite part was obviously the scene in the X-Terra between Kristen and Jason, which was like- SCARLETT: It would be, wouldn’t it? SANDY: -you don’t hit girls. SCARLETT: My favorite part was Rob Thomas attacking Jason. [Laughter] SANDY: Yeah, that was- SCARLETT: That was pretty funny. SANDY: That was pretty random. What episode- SCARLETT: Actually, no. Maybe it was Kristen dancing. SANDY: Ooh. The Kristen dancing was a good scene. I wish there had been music. SCARLETT: I know. THEO: I’m actually waiting for my DVDs. I ordered them um, this week, and I tried to resist the urge to go out and buy, you know, three copies because I’m not a very wealthy man. So I ordered them from Amazon and I should be getting them very soon. So I’m so excited to get them. And I’m so afraid that like three days next week are gonna be spent at home doing nothing but watching the DVDs, so. SANDY: Oh. So good. SCARLETT: You know I have a very important question. Why three copies? THEO: Um. To give away two so people can watch them. SANDY: Oh. Only two? THEO: Because I’m a cool guy like that. [Cameron’s mailbox is empty. Theo?] THEO: Because basically after you get all your friends addicted by having them, you know, watch the season one DVDs and then expect them to watch season three when it begins, or you know, lose the friendship completely, you have to provide them with the season two DVDs. Because that’s just what friends do. So. SANDY: So what you’re saying is that you’ve only hooked two people. THEO: Well. No. That’s the- I don’t- SCARLETT: Or Sandy, that he only has two friends. [Laughter] [CAMERON: You guys are mean.] THEO: Oh. Wow. Well I can tell you who two friends aren’t. SANDY: Aw. Now he’s down to zero. THEO: Um. No it’s just that uh, most of the friends that I’ve started watching the show live elsewhere. So uh, it wouldn’t be very efficient for me to buy them and then somehow mail them to them. I just encourage them under threat of death or severe physical punishment to buy their own copies and catch up. Or they were good enough and caught up during the second season. So. SCARLETT: Well that’s certainly the Veronica way of getting things done. The threat of extreme physical violence. THEO: That’s exactly how I roll. SANDY: It’s how I think we should all roll. I’m working on hijacking that Nielson list. So we should have that plane up and running any day now, and as soon as we do I’ll notify all of you pirates and we can assign out hometowns. Um. You know speaking of- SCARLETT: [mumble] the duct tape. [Laughter] THEO: But we’ll provide the duct tape! SCARLETT: Yay! THEO: You just don’t tell the court we did it later. So. Excellent. SCARLETT: Bring your own duct tape. It’ll be the best party ever! SANDY: We’re lawyers. It’s fine. Um. And don’t ever use that against me. Um. Okay. Speaking of DVDs and hooking people, I do think that it’s worthwhile to mention since the press release went out this week and there’s already been some news buzz about it, Cloud Watchers has donated- I think they’re up to 411 first season DVD sets to libraries all over the country. THEO: Wow. SCARLETT: That’s pretty crazy. THEO: That’s awesome. SANDY: It’s pretty amazing. And if you wanna help out on that effort I think the goal is to hit 500 before the season premiere in- what was it Scarlett? 38 days? THEO: That’s right. SCARLETT: I just count it on my calendar. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Poor Sandy and Theo had to listen to me go: 1… 2… and so on. THEO: It took a while. SCARLETT: It did. SANDY: Yeah. The goal is to hit 500 sets by October 3rd. So if you wanna help out, there are multiple ways that you can do that. Walmart I think right now has season one on sale for 20 bucks. Go buy season one and donate it to your library and just notify Watch Veronica Mars. SCARLETT: That’s cheap. SANDY: That’s super-cheap. I want to go buy up like, four more copies just so I can have extra loaner sets. THEO: Yeah. I find that that’s really how most of my friends got their copies. Um. That’s how most of my friends got their copies. You know. They’d come to visit me and I’d be like, hey, take this home and watch it and send it back when you’re done. And they watched it but I never really got it back. So I think I bought like- I ended up buying around three or four copies. But you know if they’re out there being watched that’s fine. SANDY: Yeah. I think it’s a good thing and season two is flying off the shelves. I mean- SCARLETT: Yeah. Isn’t it up really high on the Amazon rankings or something? SANDY: Yeah it’s up really high on Amazon. SCARLETT: It’s quite high. SANDY: And I think a lot of people online who said that they were going to purchase the season two DVD sets said that they went to the store and the sets just weren’t there. Or they grabbed the last copy. SCARLETT: There was almost a whole week where they weren’t available at all. SANDY: Yeah. Which is crazy, but awesome. SCARLETT: Not that I obsessively check these things or anything like that. SANDY: We all obsessively check this stuff. It’s fine. SCARLETT: I love this show. SANDY: Me too. It’s a good show. Our last announcement before we take a break is that we’ve brought a new writer on, Summer, who will be contributing some of our segments. SCARLETT: Woohoo! THEO: Excellent. SANDY: So, welcome Summer. THEO: Welcome Summer. SCARLETT: More hands on deck. Less Hands In Pants. [Laughter] THEO: Uh, less randomness, perhaps. SANDY: Um. Our new motto. SCARLETT: Never. SANDY: Okay. Well on that note, I think we should take a break and we’ll come back with this week’s segment. Which we’re gonna talk about- I guess I should tell people what we’re gonna talk about. You know. Just an idea. SCARLETT: Make them wait, Sandy. Let’s be mysterious. SANDY: All right. Do-do-do. [Said in the “dun-dun-dun” way] Back after this. THEO: We promise it’ll be funny though. SCARLETT: You’ll find out after this break. SANDY: See you soon, Pirates. Aargh. [Awesome song. Validation by Audrey Come Lately] [Followed by a commercial!] SCARVO: Do you feel excessive anxiety? Are you restless or easily tired? Do you have difficulty concentrating, trouble sleeping and are irritable? You may be suffering from Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and the staff of Neptune General Hospital is here to help you cope. We realize that life can cause young people today to feel more stress than is necessary. The pressure to excel in school, to be involved in sports and clubs, the pressure to live up to their parents’ name can be all too much. So if you think you or someone you love may be suffering from this disease, please seek the physicians at Neptune General Hospital. [Super fast auctioneer voicing] Now available for all people of all origins. You can be diagnosed for the low, low price of only $1,000. Only those within the 90909 zip code should contact us about this offer. See doctor for details. [End of Cameron’s personal hell.] Because you shouldn’t be forced to take the test if you didn’t read the book. Duh. [Back to podcasting] [THEO laughter] THEO: Yeah! It’s funny when you talk with peanut butter in your mouth. You’d be like [peanut butter mouth sounds] SCARLETT: [returns sounds] I don’t even know. I can’t hear it. THEO: [PB mouth] SCARLETT: [PB mouth] I don’t have peanut butter in my mouth. SANDY: That’s Theo and Scarlett just being random. Please ignore what they’re doing. Um. We’re back. [Laughing] SCARLETT: Are we recording? THEO: We’re back! SCARLETT: What? SANDY: Yes. THEO: Thanks for the warning, Sandy. SCARLETT: Oh great. Hi, Pirates! [Lots of giggling] SANDY: Wow. Okay. Well, we’re back and we are gonna talk about some stuff that might actually result in some spoiler information. The only spoilers that would be here are things that we announced in my Comic Con interview. Um. So if you’ve read the interviews online or if you’ve listened to us talk about Comic Con back in that podcast, than nothing here is gonna be a spoiler for you. SCARLETT: You’re golden. Actually, there’s hardly any spoilers here because I’m not spoiled at all. So. SANDY: Yes. THEO: There you go. SCARLETT: Sandy and Theo wouldn’t dare. THEO: We could lie and just make up things to tell you. You’d be like, oh my God, really? SANDY: Did you know that um, Mac and Wallace are gonna start hittin’ it? THEO: TT. SCARLETT: Oh, totally. SANDY: TT. SCARLETT: That’s our second coma baby of the series. [Laughter] SANDY: Except that it’s gonna be Wallace who’s in a coma and um… okay. SCARLETT: And Wallace’s baby. [Laughter] SANDY: Wallace is actually gonna be pregnant. This is gonna be a Sci-Fi show now. Um. All right. So if you’re totally, completely don’t wanna hear anything about the new season, than fast forward until the musical break. Otherwise, let’s get to talking. THEO: Excellent. SANDY: What we were gonna chat about is- we’re gonna speculate, since we haven’t done any good, healthy speculation in a while, about what classes we think our favorite Pirates are gonna take at Hearst College next year. SCARLETT: Ooh. SANDY: It’s a whole new curriculum. SCARLETT: Well, Veronica, photography; it’s gotta happen. THEO: For sure. SCARLETT: It’s a clichÈ, but it’s a good one. THEO: It’s clichÈ and she’s good at it, and she’s addressed it so I’m sure she’s gonna have to take it. SANDY: But she’s gonna be like, leaps and bounds above the other students, you know. THEO: Well, yeah. SANDY: Because I thought about taking photography and all I had experience with was the throwaway cameras. So I’m pretty sure that her and all of her like, MPEG/JPEG- I don’t even know what she was talking about in Credit Where Credit’s Due, um with her different photo lens and manipulating photos: she’s gonna be ahead of the class. THEO: Use a flash. SANDY: Use a flash. Only when it’s dark out. THEO: I don’t even get that sometimes. I’m just like, wait it’s dark. How do I make it light? SCARLETT: Wave my flashlight around. Wave it around. THEO: My flashlight. Stand very still and think bright. SANDY: I don’t even have a camera anymore. So I would be really S-O-L. THEO: Yeah. [Cameron had not heard that expression before. She gets it.] THEO: I think she’ll also end up taking some sort of journalism class simply because um, she needs to go poking around where her nose doesn’t belong. So uh. I think that should be interesting. SCARLETT: Yeah, she needs that ethical kinda leeway there. THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: To get to the truth. SANDY: Oh, a journalistic ethics class would be brilliant. Can you imagine? SCARLETT: She just, she can never take philosophy. THEO: No. SCARLETT: What is right and wrong? THEO: Does it pay money? SCARLETT: I know. Exactly. Bug a confessional? Let’s see. THEO: Hm. Check. SANDY: So as long as it’s video and no sound, that’s where I draw my ethical line. THEO: Is it wrong to look on people’s computers while you sabotage them in some other way? Um. Hi. I’m sorry. Can I use your computer to send an email while you uh, go in there? SCARLETT: Go to the bathroom. THEO: Go to the bathroom. And then send half the contents of your hard drive to my dad’s computer please. Thank you. SCARLETT: That ethical line is a bit wiggly there. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: Yes, it’s a little bit wiggly whenever Veronica’s involved. Um. So. THEO: But it wouldn’t be half as fun. SCARLETT: What else do we think she’ll take? Random classes? SANDY: Yeah. I think she’ll take… no I don’t think she’ll take anything easy. I think she’ll probably do- I mean she’s going to a liberal arts college so there’s gonna be all those requirements in place. SCARLETT: I know. THEO: Yeah. Some sort of English 101. SANDY: Yeah. She’ll take some Literature course and some History course or something like that. What about Logan? What’s Logan gonna take? SCARLETT: Ooh. History of Art. SANDY: Yeah? THEO: History of Art. SCARLETT: I say this because we’ve seen him with books. THEO: Exactly. SCARLETT: In canon. So. In senior year. So he had to be kind of attracted. THEO: How about business? I mean he’s got all this cash now that he’s an orphan. SCARLETT: And he was in the uh… I can’t even remember the acronym. Future Business Leaders of America. There we go. SANDY: Oh, FBLA. THEO: That’s right. SANDY: And, you know I think the art history thing ties in well. That’s the big thing he got from Lynn. He got her art collection. Maybe Logan’s a bit of an art connoisseur. SCARLETT: He did like that whole video editing thing in Wrath of Con. So he’s kind of cohesive in that side. THEO: TT. SCARLETT: Maybe that’s what he’s been lacking in school. He doesn’t like his English. Although he has a lot of literature quotes. He does quote quite heavily throughout the series. SANDY: He seems to like musicals a bit. SCARLETT: He’s got this hidden sensitive side. Everybody, Logan/art. SANDY: Do we think that he would be the kind of guy who would take like, an acting class? ‘Cause I could see him being very good at that, but at the same time would he be so anti-doing anything that Aaron had to do with? THEO: Yeah. I think he kind of shuns that because of the sister thing too. Because sort of, you know, his father and his sister are both sort of flighty actors and actresses, so. I don’t really see him following in his footsteps. SCARLETT: Plus I don’t think he really wants to show that much emotion to like, the general public. You know? THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: I think acting is putting a lot of yourself on the table. So. Maybe not. What about Wallace? He was really excited to go to Hearst. SANDY: Wallace has gotta be on the basketball schedule. SCARLETT: I think he’ll be bastketball-ing. SANDY: Yeah. He’s gonna be on the basketball player schedule. Which means probably a lot of the regular- I mean I think he’d take a lot of the regular classes but nothing too strenuous. SCARLETT: Strenuous. SANDY: You know? SCARLETT: I knew you were gonna say that! Sorry. SANDY: What’s wrong with the word strenuous? THEO: Nothing! SCARLETT: I thought we should speak in unison. SANDY: Oh. We haven’t done that in a while. We lost our brain share. We used to do it all the time. SCARLETT: I know. It’s because we haven’t been together for so long, Sandy. I thought it was time for a reunion. SANDY: I know. THEO: We’re shaking all the dust out. SANDY: I replaced you with Bailey. Sorry. SCARLETT: What about- oh, that was awful. Not that I don’t like Bailey, but I’m sorry. She’s no me. SANDY: You’re irreplaceable. SCARLETT: She’s no Scarlett. SANDY: I love her too. But I love you. You know. I couldn’t do it- THEO: Differently? Sandy you have to be careful there because it’s like your two children. I love you more. It’s- it opens… she’s not gonna be happy. [CAMERON: Awkward…] SANDY: I love you both in different ways. Um. Wow that’s- THEO: That’s always code for I love you more. Isn’t it though? I mean I’ve heard it but everyone knows my parents love me the most. So it’s okay. SANDY: It’s why Beaver went evil. SCARLETT: That’s what they tell you, Theo. THEO: That’s right they do. SANDY: Big Dick used to tell Beaver, “I love you differently.” SCARLETT: In a different way. SANDY: I love you in a different way. SCARLETT: That’s what Woody Goodman used to tell kids as well. Let’s not go there. SANDY: Aw. THEO: That’s just bad. SCARLETT: So. Wallace, classes: what about Astronomy? That’s like the ultimate cakewalk class isn’t it? Astronomy. You like, look at stars and say hm, it’s a constellation, and they give you an A. THEO: Yeah. Look at it. It looks like a hat. SANDY: I took it. It was my easy science. THEO: Yeah. I didn’t get that. But it also gives me an excuse to be out late at night. And uh, looking up at the “stars.” Uh. Which really means he’ll be snooping on people using telescopes, so. Sounds like a good fit. SCARLETT: Veronica might be taking Astronomy then. SANDY: Yeah. I didn’t even think about this snooping on people with telescopes thing and clearly Veronica and Wallace are gonna take it. THEO: Yeah. I mean that’s just- SCARLETT: I mean we already know Keith’s into that. SANDY: Clearly. SCARLETT: Oh, that would be the best class if they took it together. SANDY: Mac. SCARLETT: She’s gonna be computer science. SANDY: All the way. Maybe something artsy. You know, she’s a little indie. She’s a little, you know. SCARLETT: I know. THEO: She could do sort of a computer- she could be a computer science/English Lit major. I can see that very easily. SCARLETT: You think she’ll be like, the Willow from Buffy where like, she flourishes when she comes to Uni? Or college. Sorry. I’ll be American. Um. You know, when she suddenly comes into her element and everybody likes learning and stuff. SANDY: Yeah that’s quite possible. SCARLETT: That’d be quite cool, to see some more of her. You know? THEO: Especially out from under her, you know, parents or “parents.” Because uh, I think they’ve really been tying her hands. So uh. SCARLETT: I can see her kind of rising out of the shadow of Beav and her parents, and just everything really crappy in her life, and kind of plowing forward. Not plowing forward, but moving in that direction. [Laughter] THEO: Moving forward in a forward direction. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: I think Mac is gonna be shying away from any plowing in the near future. [Laughter] SCARLETT: Oh dear. SANDY: Um. Dick? SCARLETT: But I don’t think Dick will be. SANDY: No. SCARLETT: I think he might be in for- THEO: Nice send in there, by the way. SANDY: That’s what we do. THEO: Oh, frat boy. SCARLETT: It was crazy that you had to actually point it out. SANDY: I know. SCARLETT: But he’s so gonna join a frat. Him and Logan, they’re gonna have such a drunken, partying time at college. They have to. SANDY: Well Dick’s gonna be a big mess, right? So if he’s gonna be a big mess than that sort of leads me to believe lots of really, really wasted uncontrollable behavior. Like, not carefree Dick. Like, [made up word] SCARLETT: Off his face, forget everything that’s ever happened to me, bang hot chicks Dick. SANDY: Right. THEO: Stumble home, turns out to not be his home Dick. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: Turns out to be outside Logan’s door and Logan has to carry him home. THEO: Turns out to be a tree, yeah. Yeah. SCARLETT: Turns out to be a public restroom. [Giggles] SCARLETT: I love how there was a pause there where Theo just kind of looked at his screen like what the hell is Scarlett talking about? SANDY: Oh, we do that so often though. SCARLETT: I know. It’s sad. Our listeners really don’t know how often it happens. [It happens] [Laughter] SCARLETT: Long pause. THEO: I think they have a pretty good idea. SCARLETT: Who else is in college? Who else is in college? Come on. Let’s forget my awkwardness. Let’s get to college. SANDY: Okay. So what do we think is gonna go down between Dick and Logan in terms of where they live? Do we think that they… SCARLETT: Oh, Logan has to leave the Neptune Grand. He has to. SANDY: He has to leave the Neptune Grand. THEO: He has to leave. [CAMERON: What does he have to do?] SCARLETT: I’m really bored of that set. THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: That’s the only reason. SANDY: I’m so over that set. THEO: And now that he’s not financially bound I think that he’ll be able to get probably sort of a party apartment near the campus, I would think. SCARLETT: Oh yeah. He has to be like, party central. THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: That would be excellent because then Veronica’s gonna be hated by everyone ‘cause there’s already a frat that hates her and it’s totally awkward if they’re still dating. Which, hopefully Rob Thomas isn’t gonna pull another “gotcha, they broke up” on us. You know. SANDY: I would kill Rob. I think Rob learned his lesson on that. I think he learned his lesson on that one. SCARLETT: So you know. But it would be quite cool. It would be quite cool if they were still dating but she’s got that outsider awkwardness she had in the pilot, and it’s kinda like a full circle thing. THEO: Mhm. SANDY: Yeah. That would be interesting. [Cameron cannot take this. Can you REALLY see LOGAN joining a FRAT?! Not our lonely boy. No way.] SANDY: And I wonder, okay. Dick isn’t gonna stay at Casa De Killer any longer, right? I mean why would he still live there? THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: But after, see. It would make sense for Dick to move in with Logan, but would he if he finds out that Logan failed to talk his little brother down of a ledge. Will they be friends? THEO: Well I don’t know. The brother was sort of a homicidal maniac. So um. SANDY: A little bit. SCARLETT: I’m sure they’ll- I’m sure they will be- THEO: Bailey’s opinion notwithstanding. [CAMERON: Enough with the Bailey bashing! I love her!] SCARLETT: Bailey doesn’t count. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: She’s blinded. THEO: Wow. She’s gonna think we hate her. We’re gonna have to tag on like a three minute explanation after this podcast. It’s like, we really do love you. Please don’t scream and throw things. SANDY: We do love her. [Bailey can just edit all that other stuff out.] THEO: So. SCARLETT: Please don’t quit. We’ll never have music again. THEO: That’s right. She’s gonna put really horrible music on. But anyway! Um. SANDY: She just has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to Kyle Gallner. I mean she does. THEO: Yeah. Well I think they’ll be fine. Dick and Logan will be fine. SCARLETT: Yeah. So you think they’ll still be BFF? THEO: I think that they’ll- I think… because they’ve both gone through so much. Logan’s lost so many people in his life. SCARLETT: True. I was gonna say Dick was pretty easy about forgiving Logan for Kendall. You know. He kinda just threw that whole thing out there. He didn’t really care. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: Yeah but this isn’t banging his stepmom. This is his little brother. [Voice of reason!] THEO: Yeah but Beaver actually tried to kill Logan, so uh. I don’t think… [There is much talking over each other. Enough.] THEO: Who? Sorry. SCARLETT: Who? SANDY: Who? Wait what? SCARLETT: What? Where? How? SANDY: I was just saying that I think that the stepmom think is totally different than like, the little brother is a mass murderer and you know, tried to shoot Logan in the head, and Logan let him jump off of a building thing. I just think that’s a little harder to get past that than it is Logan having sex with the 25-year-old stepmom. That’s all I’m saying. THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: To be fair though I just realized that Dick may never find out that Cassidy or Beaver, whatever… THEO: TT. But then again think about they’ve lost- who else do they have? I mean Logan’s got Veronica but Dick’s lost his brother. His father’s on the run. His- obviously his stepmother is… well, we’ll see. I guess. She’s probably not gonna stay around to provide emotional support. SCARLETT: She has a briefcase. THEO: She’s got a briefcase. Luggage is what matters in life, really. Um. But Logan’s only got Veronica now. And his sister who is never around and I mean, clearly there’s not much connection there. SANDY: They can lean on each other then for support. Dick and Logan. SCARLETT: See I kind of hope… let’s go on a little tangent here. I kind of hope that Logan makes some more friends, gets some more important people in his life, because I don’t want to have to feel sorry for him if he’s an ass and Veronica breaks up with him again, you know? THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: I don’t want to feel that every time she like, ditches him or something that it’s oh my God; he has nobody in his life. That’s really boring, you know? I know he’s had lots of tragedy, but you can get bored with it. THEO: Yeah. TT. SCARLETT: Poor alone little Logan. SANDY: Yeah. We don’t want Logan to be constantly a victim. You know. We don’t want him to be weak. SCARLETT: Exactly. It kind of detracts from Veronica’s story and I really feel like we should get back to Veronica’s story. SANDY: Yes. I concur wholeheartedly. SCARLETT: That was back to your little English voice. I like it. [Laughter] THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: Tally-ho. THEO: Tally-ho. SANDY: I slip it in every once in a while. [CAMERON: That’s what Logan said!] [Laughter] SANDY: Um. Wow. All right. On that note I think we should take a break and come back with the Josh Kramon interview. What do you guys think? THEO: That sounds like a good idea. Although I’m not sure who you are. What’s your name again? SANDY: Sandy? THEO: Ah, that’s right. That’s right. SANDY: Okay. All right. We’re gonna take a break, and we’ll come back. Scarlett and Bailey, who we love and adore, will be here with Josh Kramon. See you soon, Pirates. [Accusations by Bloodwire] [Cameron feels all psychedelic now] SCARLETT: Supernatural Supergirl is one of the songs from your first album and it was used in the first season. JOSH: Uh huh. SCARLETT: Did you know when you came onto the show that they were going to use it? JOSH: Um. No. That was used in like one of the first few shows. SCARLETT: Yeah. JOSH: Um. No. I just basically, I basically uh, gave them my record and said, you know, you know, use one of the songs if you could. And that was the one they chose. BAILEY: Wow. JOSH: And they used, they actually used Sister on, on um, one of the shows also. But they used it so briefly I don’t think people noticed. It was at the end of um, I forget if it was episode three or four. SCARLETT: You know I’m gonna have to go and watch now. BAILEY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Figure if I can pick it out. JOSH: It was one of the early, early shows of last season. It was used right at the end. Um. But it was not really easy to decipher. Yeah. It was- Rob listened to the record and found a way to get one of the songs. They usually, you know, it’s kind of hard when you’re, when you’re a composer on a show, you know, and they- to get the studio to license one of your things, ‘cause you’re really- you’re work for hire on the show. SCARLETT: Of course. JOSH: I have a new record actually so next season hopefully that will be on. BAILEY: Yeah we- I was just gonna ask about that. I read that you were trying to get it out before the season started. JOSH: Yeah. I don’t know if I’ll, if I’ll uh, I don’t know if I’ll get it out right before the season starts. But sometime, you know, sometime towards the beginning of the season. Definitely one of the reasons I haven’t had, I haven’t had time to post the new tunes to the website. BAILEY: Right. Well we’re excited to hear it. JOSH: Cool. Thank you. BAILEY: Um. Speaking of the cues, um. A lot of people have been hoping for a soundtrack of score. It’s great that you have you have the cues on your website because that’s like the second best thing. But did you ever anticipate that you’d get this big of a response to the score on a television show? JOSH: No, not at all. I never- no. No. Not at all. I mean I never have ‘cause, ‘cause I’ve never had this type of response on any of the other shows I did. And I think again it’s just because of the unique sound of the show. Well I think it’s the unique sound of the show and just ‘cause the fans of the show are just, are so cool and they’re so into the show and everything about it, so. BAILEY: Yeah. JOSH: I think that’s unique from any show I’ve worked on. BAILEY: Right. JOSH: And it’s ‘cause it’s not, you know, it’s kind of it’s own unique sound. Not like, you know, those people aren’t gonna get up if a sound’s been used, you know, a hundred times. BAILEY: Yeah. JOSH: I don’t think people have a reason to, to want to have any of the original music on it, you know? BAILEY: Right. Well you could just- JOSH: Or whatever. I mean it’s just the only time this has happened, so it’s really cool. BAILEY: Right. Scarlett and I were just talking earlier about how everything, all the music on the show kind of meshes well together. Like, you have the score but it also sometimes people will hear a piece of score and think that it’s a song that was licensed for the show. JOSH: Right. BAILEY: And it just works so well together that sometimes it’s hard to even distinguish. JOSH: Right. Yeah. I’ve gotten emails asking me about that. Yeah. BAILEY: Fantastic. JOSH: Thank you. [Interrupting Scarlett. Eruption of laughter.] JOSH: I was trying to answer that – I don’t know if that was a question – I just uh… BAILEY: Well I think it was supposed to be a question but I kind of drifted off at the end. JOSH: ‘Cause I’ve gotten a lot of emails on that and it’s like, most of the time the song, you know there’s been a couple times when the songs are sort of the sound of the show, but usually they’re pretty different. They’re much more rock driven and guitar driven then the score. But I do wanna, you know I get a lot of emails about this and, you know, I don’t know if any of those people are listening but you know I want to try to make some of this score stuff available. You know. That’s why, one of the reasons why I haven’t you know, put a lot of music stuff on the website. Also, you know, but it’s very hard to get a studio to, to release a soundtrack. BAILEY: Right. SCARLETT: Yeah. JOSH: You know. ‘Cause they didn’t- I don’t think they’re doing any soundtracks for season two and season three they would uh, I guess they’d consider it if the show just is a huge mega-hit this year. But it’s hard and you know, one of the things- and also when you write um, score for a TV show, you own half of it and they own half of it. It’s frustrating. That’s why I can’t make any of it available for anyone to actually download. SCARLETT: Of course. BAILEY: Yeah. We got it. JOSH: Otherwise of course I would. You know. I’d be all over that. But up until- you know, I’ll do uh, whatever I can to even make it available to download even if they won’t. ‘Cause I was thinking that the other day like, if they won’t release a soundtrack. You know, they don’t wanna spend the money on that, then maybe they’ll, you know, I can work something out with them legally where I can at least make music available to download, so. I just want everyone to know that I hadn’t forgotten that. BAILEY: I got a pretty strict email from the WB when I was wanting to use a cue on the podcast, so yeah they’ve got a little bit of a tight grip on score. JOSH: Well they own it. Yeah. They own it. That’s the way it works out. SCARLETT: Okay. I was gonna ask you the clichÈ question that every musical person has to be asked. Who are your musical influences? [Laughter] JOSH: Um. Yeah. No it’s a great, I mean I could talk about that for a long time but it’s… there’s so many influences because I’ve been listening to music for so long. And it’s kind of like there’s early influences which is the rock stuff, you know, Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Kinks, um, The Who, and that stuff. Um. But I’ve, you know, between them and then a lot of- there’s a lot of jazz stuff. Um. Miles Davis. Um. Charlie Mingus. Herbie Hancock. A lot of that stuff, you know. A lot of the electronic stuff, you know, that even ended up influencing Veronica Mars came out of what- Miles Davis in 1970 started playing electric music with a record called Bitches Brew, which was a huge influence. Um. And another one called Get Up With It and Big Fun. And Herbie Hancock also had a record called [mumbled] that came out in 1972. Listen to those records. Like a lot if the Zero 7’s and the Air’s all comes straight out of that stuff. BAILEY: Right. JOSH: But that early 70s- I guess they called it, I don’t wanna- you know they called it fusion but there’s a lot of cheesy stuff that came out of fusion too. BAILEY: Yeah. JOSH: It [fusion] was a huge influence, especially the Miles Davis stuff and um, but really the first thing- it was really Zeppelin and The Beatles when I first got into music and then so much stuff. Joni Mitchell. Neil Young. Um. A lot of old stuff. It’s a lot of old 70s stuff. Orchestral stuff. A lot of the French Impressionist stuff. [mumbles] 20th century orchestral music like Cervinski. Film music um, like Bernard Herman. There was a score, I don’t know if you guys have seen the movie Taxi Driver. BAILEY: Yes. JOSH: Um. I love the score for that. It’s one of my favorite film scores. BAILEY: It is. It’s excellent. JOSH: And it’s jazz. I guess I have a lot of jazz, that’s a very jazz influenced score. Um. Gary- some of the Gary Numan stuff that he did like in 1980 I thought was- I love stuff that starts a movement in music. You know. Like a lot of stuff that ends up semi-permanent isn’t always good. But he was doing some really cool electronic stuff like in, like in ’79 and ’80, with that whole Tubeway Army thing. BAILEY: Yeah. JOSH: Um. Yeah. SCARLETT: Wow. Just a bit of everything then. JOSH: Yeah. That’s really; I mean it really is everything. There isn’t much, there aren’t too many styles I don’t listen to. I mean I’m not too into opera and I’m not too into uh, [mumble] music. But besides that I mean I pretty much run the gamut. I mean I have thousands of records and CDs and stuff. BAILEY: Life’s too short to limit your musical tastes. JOSH: Yeah. Maybe someday I’ll get down with some [mumble] Not today though. BAILEY: Not today. You can always put that one off. JOSH: Yeah. I’ll keep it on the list. [Laughter] BAILEY: Okay. Well. We obviously love Veronica Mars and we have a podcast for it. And, well I guess you could say we’re probably a little bit obsessed with it. Um. But is there anything you go completely geeky for, like a band or a TV show, or a movie? JOSH: Um. Uh. God. Well. Veronica Mars. Um. SCARLETT: Good answer. BAILEY: Good answer. Perfect answer. [Giggles] JOSH: That’s the correct answer. No. BAILEY: That’s the correct answer. JOSH: Uh. TV shows. No. I mean I’m just not… I haven’t been, I don’t really watch much TV. Um. I love The Sopranos. BAILEY: Ooh. I love The Sopranos too. JOSH: That’s about the only actual- that’s the only dramatic TV show I watch. Otherwise I just watch reality television. [Laughter] JOSH: No. I just watch like, the news. But as far as movies… um. Well it’s different. Going, I would say going geeky for it is a little different than just stuff you like. BAILEY: Yeah. JOSH: Like, fanatical? Oh God. Um. See that’s one I’d, that would be a good one to prepare for ahead of time. I’ll think of it later and then I’ll have to call you back just to weigh in. [Laughter] SCARLETT: Emailing. JOSH: The stuff I mentioned, the Miles stuff, the Miles electric stuff. BAILEY: Right. JOSH: Um. Pretty crazy. I listen to it over and over again. Um. Literature, I love literature. Les Miserables, I love that book. BAILEY: Oh, I love that book too. SCARLETT: Yeah. JOSH: Love that book. The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann I love to read. BAILEY: I spend way too much time reading and listening to music, so. JOSH: Yeah. That’s what basically- SCARLETT: At least you can do it at the same time. JOSH: Oh. Mingus. There’s this record by Charlie Mingus called The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, which I listen to over and over again. The movie The Song Remains the Same, the Led Zeppelin concert movie. BAILEY: Right. Yeah. SCARLETT: Oh yeah. JOSH: Um. There’s a movie called The Deer Hunter that I love. That’s probably my favorite movie. Taxi Driver. [Cameron is Josh Kramon’s movie twin.] BAILEY: Taxi Driver. JOSH: Stuff I already listed. Sorry. [Laughter] SCARLETT: No problem. JOSH: Boring. Boring. [mumbles] It was all The Beatles and… fuck. The Beatles. Oh. I’m sorry. Oh, this isn’t- there’s no FCC here. Nevermind. SCARLETT: No. JOSH: Revolver, The Beatles. I mean that was huge. BAILEY: Right. SCARLETT: Well, we all have songs that remind us of specific events or certain times in our life. What’s your greatest musical memory, or one that’s really specific? Do you have one? JOSH: Um. Let’s see here. SCARLETT: Quite difficult questions here. JOSH: That’s a big question. That’s like, that’s hardcore. Um. BAILEY: Put you on the spot. You have three seconds to answer. JOSH: Yeah. This is the first time this whole time that I’m on the spot. That’s not too bad. Um. Hm. SCARLETT: I can’t even think of one for me. BAILEY: I can’t either. I shouldn’t have written that question. JOSH: Yeah. You guys- how about if you guys can answer it I’ll answer it. I can say songs that- I know it’s cheesy but there’s song like, from my childhood that like, that bring out, you know… BAILEY: Right. SCARLETT: Oh, that counts. JOSH: My dad listened to a lot of music that like, you know, riding in the back my dad used to always- we went up to Malibu a lot and riding in the back of the car… Like, I mean, probably cheesy to you guys but I’m probably older than you guys. Like Night Moves by Bob Seger, Year of the Cat by Al Stewart. Those songs are sort of the songs that like, they’re so nostalgic for me that I can’t even say if they’re good songs or not ‘cause it’s, there’s so much memory that goes along with them that I can’t be objective about them- BAILEY: You can’t be objective about them. JOSH: -Exactly. Yeah. So there’s that. But I’m, you know, again. BAILEY: Well I can’t listen- my mom is a Deadhead, so I can’t listen to The Grateful Dead without, without being transported back. JOSH: Yeah. Yeah. BAILEY: I knew all the lyrics to all the songs by the time I was four. SCARLETT: Oh, that’s so cute. JOSH: Oh yeah. Do you like The Grateful Dead now or is this all just about your mom? BAILEY: Well. It’s kind of the same. I can’t look at it objectively. I mean when I was going- when I was a teenager I hated it. I’m like, turn that off. Turn that off. JOSH: Yeah. Yeah. BAILEY: And now like- JOSH: Friend of the Devil is a cool song. BAILEY: It is. It is. JOSH: We should. But not, you know, not a good sound for Veronica Mars. [Laughter] BAILEY: No! JOSH: Although they used uh, I love when they used Ventura Highway. BAILEY: Oh, that was perfect. JOSH: Awesome. SCARLETT: It was so- JOSH: And that’s from um, that’s the stuff from my childhood too. That was cool. BAILEY: That was perfect. JOSH: And they used Ted- they used Ted Nugent which is like, I was so happy about that. BAILEY: I know. Everyone laughed at me when I admitted- ‘cause I do the music on the podcast and I talk about the songs that were used in the episode, and I was on the air and I was like yeah, I’m not afraid to admit I like Ted Nugent. And everybody laughed at me. But- JOSH: Oh yeah. You like what you like. I mean you can’t, you know, you can’t not be allowed to like certain things. BAILEY: Right. JOSH: You know. Just ‘cause he’s in Congress, okay. BAILEY: Yeah. So you guys better leave me alone with my strange musical tastes. SCARLETT: Okay. JOSH: That’s what’s cool. It’s so- it’s almost so uncool that it’s cool when you use something like that. BAILEY: Right. SCARLETT: It’s gone full circle. JOSH: No one think of using Ted Nugent on like a, on a cool TV show. BAILEY: No. JOSH: That’s what makes it cool. Right? BAILEY: Right. Well on the first- I remember first watching The Pilot and Blue Oyster Cult came on and I was like what, that’s so great. JOSH: Yeah. That was great too. That was really, yeah. BAILEY: You just don’t expect it. You expect hear the new, The Fallout Boy or whatever. JOSH: Right. Yeah. Not a lot of shows- most shows, so many shows it’s like a vehicle to sell records. BAILEY: Right. SCARLETT: Definitely. JOSH: And Veronica Mars hasn’t done that. You know, Rob uses what he hears and wants to use, and whatever he has- it’s not used that way. BAILEY: Right. It’s great because on most shows you can hear one song, and then you hear it on one show or on a movie or something, and then suddenly that same song you hear it everywhere. JOSH: Right. Exactly. BAILEY: And it’s not, it’s not unique. It doesn’t really fit. It doesn’t- when you hear that song… Like if you hear a song that’s been on Veronica Mars, you hear it again somewhere else like on the radio or on a CD, you think okay, that’s Veronica Mars. But this other stuff you just hear it everywhere and it’s not specific. JOSH: Right. No, you’re right. You’re absolutely right. It’s almost like they record the song to go directly to a license for a TV show. BAILEY: Exactly. JOSH: Like the WB I guess started that a few years ago with some of the shows. SCARLETT: Oh, of course. BAILEY: Right. JOSH: When they started at the end of the show they’d like, promote the record, and that kind of took off. BAILEY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Definitely. Well, I think I’m all out of questions. How about you, Bailey? BAILEY: I think I am too. JOSH: That’s good, because I’m all out of answers. [Laughter] SCARLETT: Excellent. BAILEY: We won’t put him on the spot anymore. JOSH: I know but I’m gonna think of another song later and then I’ll have to like email you guys. [Laughter] BAILEY: And then we’ll add it. Yeah, it’s hard. I hate that. And then you’re done and like to hours later you’re kicking yourself in the ass like, damn it! I should have just said that. JOSH: Yeah. But that’s all right. BAILEY: That’s okay. SCARLETT: We would do that all the time if we could. BAILEY: Yeah. SCARLETT: But thank you very much for taking the time to come and talk to us. BAILEY: Thank you. It’s been great talking to you. JOSH: Thank you guys. Thanks to all you guys, man. You guys rule. BAILEY: I’m so glad it finally happened. JOSH: Yes. BAILEY: Thank you so much for coming on. JOSH: All right. BAILEY: All right. SCARLETT: We’ll see you later. BAILEY: All right. JOSH: Thanks guys. SCARLETT: Well we won’t see you later, but bye! JOSH: All right. Enjoy the next season. BAILEY: We will. Thank you. JOSH: Okay. All right. Take care. BAILEY: All right. JOSH: Bye. BAILEY: Bye. [End interview of AWESOME] SCARVO: You’re listening to Neptune Pirate Radio. [“Wow” voice] SCARVO: Thanks, anonymous voice. THEO: Aargh! Pirates, welcome back. And I believe that wraps it up for this week’s podcast. SANDY: It does. SCARLETT: Ooh. Before we go I have one last thing. Josh Kramon actually called us back to tell us he finally thought of the movie. Phantom of the Paradise. A Brian De Palma film. SANDY: Excellent. THEO: Very good. SCARLETT: So. It’s recommended by Josh Kramon. SANDY: So we’ll have to check it out. THEO: I will add it to my Netflix queue. SANDY: Me too. Yay. All right. Well. It’s been a fun and educational podcast guys. I’m glad that we’re all back together again. THEO: It’s been nice being back with you two. I have to admit. I’ve missed you. SANDY: I missed you guys too. SCARLETT: Aw. The turbulent three. Hurrah! SANDY: The turbulent three. Woo! THEO: I think we need to come up with a better name. In fact, we may have to leave the listeners with that challenge, so. SANDY: A new name for us. SCARLETT: Email us if you have a better name. THEO: A new name for the three of us. SANDY: Excellent. All right. SCARLETT: For our awesome threesome. SANDY: Yeah. That’s not… yeah. THEO: Menage a trios, baby. SCARLETT: And on that note. SANDY: Scarlett, do you wanna give us our inspirational quote of the week? SCARLETT: You can lead a boy to college, but you can’t make him think. –Albert Hubbard. See you soon, Pirates! [CLOSING THEME! Brent Pocker- Neptune’s Water] BAILEY: If you enjoyed the music featured in this week’s podcast, find out more at www.neptunepirateradio.com or email me at bailey@neptunepirateradio.com. Additionally, some of the music you heard here tonight was provided by the Podshow Podsafe music network. Check it out at: http://music.podshow.com. [END BROADCAST] [Cameron is resting. Thanks, Josh!] [END TRANSCRIPT] |