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This podcast is produced by fans of Veronica Mars, and is in no way affiliated with the UPN/CW network, Rob Thomas, or The Powers That Be, and does not reflect the views of any of the entities creating and producing the show. [Greeting of many greetings.] [OPENING THEME MUSIC: Vancefurd- Pirate Song] SANDY: What’s up, Pirates. We’re back and it is our first podcast of Season 3. SCARLETT: Woohoo! Woo! SANDY: And- SCARLETT: Yay! SANDY: Yay indeed! I was so excited. It- I should tell everybody today it is just me and Scarlett. Theo has abandoned us again. But at least you’re back. SCARLETT: Hello! I know. Theo’s just an abandoner. I don’t know what he’s doing. And I’m not very well but I am back. So. SANDY: Yes. You’re a little sick. You’ve got a little- SCARLETT: He has no excuse. SANDY: He really doesn’t. Except that maybe he just doesn’t love us anymore. SCARLETT: I don’t think he does. I think he’s run off to uh, to go and live with Big Dick in the islands. [SANDY giggling] SCARLETT: I think he’s, he’s using all his money there. I think that’s what Theo’s doing. SANDY: I just got really like, the worst thought in my entire head of something I coulda said and I’m just gonna roll right on past it. Um. [Giggling] SANDY: Okay. Sorry. SCARLETT: Well little Dick’s room in the mansion is obviously vacated now that he’s at Hearst, so, you know, Theo could be crashing there. SANDY: He could. It’s entirely possible. I should tell everybody, and I’m gonna out myself here now rather than waiting until whenever it is that Theo decides to show up again. Theo wasn’t exactly in Russia. He was in Germany, which I recognize are two entirely different countries. [CAMERON: You betta recognize.] SANDY: I, for some reason, every time he said that he was going to Germany, my mind just switched it to Russia. No idea why. SCARLETT: As a European I’m offended on all of our behalves. [SANDY laugh] SANDY: Oh man. I’m so dumb. SCARLETT: They make great chocolate. Great chocolate. And sausage. SANDY: I- don’t ask me why every time, I saw in an email- SCARLETT: People are gonna make anti-war jokes now. SANDY: I know. Oh, it’s gonna be so sad. Yes. Theo was in Germany and Prague, not Russia and Prague. I suck. Um. And it was in Germany that he saw the Veronica Mars advertisement, not in Russia, which makes much more sense. Okay. Just thought I’d put that out there. ‘Cause if we waited for Theo to come back, he would make endless amounts of fun of me for that. Which he already has. All right. Anyway. Moving on. SCARLETT: If he ever comes back. SANDY: I know. Well he might not. He keeps saying he’s- he was supposed to be here this week and note… he’s not. So. Hopefully he will return at some point. All right. Well. How was your week, Scarlett? Was it good? Did you enjoy the show? SCARLETT: I did enjoy the show. Um. I especially enjoyed certain parts of the show although I’m a bit disappointed about the whole briefcase thing. That was my main thing. I was like, okay. So, we guessed it was money but they never told us. You know. It was just kind of implied. SANDY: Well, you know, to be fair we still don’t know if it was money that was in the briefcase. We know that he got paid a lot, but we don’t know that that’s what she showed him. I don’t know. I’m holding out hope that we’re gonna find out something more interesting about the briefcase. SCARLETT: And on a more personal note: I have been mourning, in mourning, for the Le Baron. [With French accent] SANDY: Aw. SCARLETT: What happened there? SANDY: Isn’t it sad? SCARLETT: A Saturn for Mars? No! SANDY: It makes me really sad too. I miss the Le Baron. But you know, it’s- onwards and upwards. It’s college and it’s only to be expected that there will be, you know, these new little invasions. SCARLETT: Plus the fact that that car survived two seasons is just crazy. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: To even think that it managed to withstand that kind of abuse. SANDY: Yeah. Very true. SCARLETT: But still. It breaks my little heart. SANDY: Maybe people will be less likely to take a tire iron to the Saturn than they were the Le Baron. You know? [Cameron will translate: people=Logan] SCARLETT: Or maybe because Logan’s doing the Veronica, and there’s nobody to take a tire iron. SANDY: I’m sure she’ll find new enemies in due time. She seems to already be making some. Um. Well we got- I normally don’t really ever talk, um- this is a segue. Sorry. Uh, I normally don’t talk about the mail that we get. We get a lot, a lot, a lot of email, and we read all of it even though we don’t necessarily respond as quickly as we would like to. But um, we do appreciate all the emails that we get sent in. We did this week get what I thought was one of my favorite emails that we’ve received from a listener, um, from Cassie. And she told us- she told us this great story about meeting Gregory Smith, who if you’re not- if you don’t know who Gregory Smith is: Gregory Smith played um, Ephram Brown on Everwood. And he apparently is a big fan of Veronica Mars. Who knew? SCARLETT: Woo! [CAMERON: Woo! Ephram is my boyfriend!] SANDY: Isn’t that awesome? SCARLETT: I think that’s awesome. SANDY: I think- she has like a whole story about how she met him and they talked about Everwood, and then she brought up Veronica Mars, and he was like, oh my gosh, I love Veronica Mars. And they talked for about 15 minutes about the show, which I just thought was the best thing ever. So now I’m watching Everwood in a show of support to Gregory Smith, and now I, I kind of love him. I kind of love him. [Cameron loves him more than you will ever know. Back off.] SCARLETT: Aw. SANDY: I love that he’s a big fanboy… of my favorite show. [CAMERON: GRRRRR] SCARLETT: It’s true. It’s true. SANDY: I embrace all fanboys and fangirls of Veronica Mars. So. Yay! SCARLETT: Fan types in general. SANDY: True. I guess you could have fan transgender people. I don’t wanna leave them out. SCARLETT: Or pet fans. SANDY: Yeah, my dog’s a big fan. SCARLETT: Backup the dog has his fans. SANDY: Yeah. My dog gets very excited when she sees Backup on the TV, so you know. We span- we span all group types. We don’t discriminate against anybody. And on that note, I think- there hasn’t been a lot- we’re actually gonna do um, normally we would talk about the ratings in the intro. But we’re gonna actually have a little ratings segment for you just to talk about those. Um. And other than that there hasn’t been a lot of big breaking news in Veronica-land this week, so I think we’re just gonna take a break and come back with the episode discussion. Sound good, Scarlett? SCARLETT: Sounds excellent. SANDY: Okay. We’ll be back. [BEST. BREAK. EVER.] CAMVO: New to Veronica? Take two minutes and we’ll bring you up to speed on Mars in Neptune. CAMVO: Veronica Mars was just another girl at Neptune High with a billionaire boyfriend in Duncan Kane and a best friend in his sister Lilly Kane. Lilly dated Logan Echolls, son of Aaron, a star so big you’d own the action figure. But Veronica’s charmed life was set to come crashing down. Wanna know more? CAMVO: Aaron Echolls used an ashtray to bash in the brains of secret lover Lilly Kane, but karma proved a bigger bitch than her when Aaron’s own brains were blown out all over the set of his hotel TV, courtesy of CW, but on the orders of Duncan Kane. Duncan, V’s boyfriend turned ex turned boyfriend made his final exit with a coma baby into the Mexican sunset, leaving Veronica to fall into the arms of sometimes psychotic, mostly woobified Logan Echolls, who was pinned for the death of PCHer Felix. Felix was actually downed by Thumper who got blown up by the Fitzpatricks inside Shark Stadium after getting thumped by Weevil, the former leader of the PCHers and Veronica’s sometimes ally, who is not to be confused with Wallace, Veronica’s BFF and original sidekick. But back to Sharks and blowing things up, let’s discuss the bus crash, shall we? Normal was not the watchword when Cassidy “Beaver” Casablancas blew up a school bus of Neptune High’s too-poor-for-a-limo in order to silence Marcos and Peter, who were outting him as one of Creepy Woody Goodman’s Little League liaisons, a connection made by Veronica after a bout with Chlamydia (which is not a flower) that could have only come from her maybe rapist who turned out to definitely be Cassidy who could have only been infected by the too woody Woody. The grand scheme came to an end with a rooftop confrontation at the Neptune Grand where Beaver tried to force Veronica to pull a bus, but Logan showed up just in time to save V’s life and Beaver chose to be Found On Road Dead by leaping to his death. CAMVO: Missed a few things? Seasons 1 and 2 are out on DVD. Welcome to Neptune. Nothing happens accidentally. [THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT] [Waiting by Taxi Doll] BAILEYVO: Neptune Pirate Radio gives a big “congratulations” to Aaron Ashmore and Alona Tal for their new roles on Smallville and Supernatural. Check ‘em out Thursday night starting at 8pm on the new CW. SANDY: Okay. We’re back and as promised we’re gonna start our discussion of Welcome Wagon, the premiere of Veronica Mars season three. SCARLETT: It feels like so long since we’ve talked about an episode. I love it. SANDY: It has- well it has been a really long time since we’ve talked about an episode. It’s weird. SCARLETT: Stupid summer. SANDY: Stupid summer with no new content. Br. [?] SCARLETT: Aargh! SANDY: Aargh! SCARLETT: Not a good kind of Aargh. SANDY: It’s the angry, the angry pirate Aargh. SCARLETT: Aargh. SANDY: Aargh. Well I, for one, really liked this episode. Um. I thought- SCARLETT: Oh, me too. SANDY: I thought it did a good job of sort of setting up- I was really, I’ll admit I was really nervous ‘cause we kept hearing about how the season premiere was gonna be Pilot 2.0, and we were gonna get reintroduced to all the characters. And I was really sort of concerned about it being sort of a turn off. SCARLETT: Being hit over the head with exposition. SANDY: Yeah. Exactly. And we really weren’t. I don’t think we were. I think they- SCARLETT: But I think it helped because we had those new characters, so, you know, they had to be introduced to our characters. So our new viewers were kind of introduced to our old characters by our new characters. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: If you get my drift. SANDY: Yeah. They sort of used Piz to reflect the viewpoint of the new viewer. SCARLETT: I love Piz, by the way. I know that I’m supposed to hate him but I love him. SANDY: I really like him too. I liked Chris Lowell in Life As We Know It. He was my favorite character on that show. SCARLETT: Yeah, me too. SANDY: So I’m really excited to see him here and I thought he did a really fun, good job. He’s sort of a big contrast with what we normally see in Neptune. He’s so naÔve and just kind. SCARLETT: He’s good with like, the kind of quippy lines, I think. He’s good at the kind of understated humor. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Whereas we have like, Veronica and Logan are kind of overstated humor, you know. They’re kinda… emphasize words, you know. They’re not- everybody’s highly strung in Neptune, I think. SANDY: Yeah. [CAMERON: From the flagpole?] SCARLETT: Piz seems a bit more laid back. SANDY: Yeah. He definitely is and I can’t decide if I want him to remain sort of innocent. And I characterize him as innocent in, in the sense that he’s never really encountered, I don’t think, any of the kind of tragedies that go on in Neptune regularly. SCARLETT: Murder. Rape. Child abuse. SANDY: Yeah. He’s sort of like the anti-Logan. SCARLETT: Suicide. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: He is the anti-Logan. But then ooh, that worries me. Because he’s obviously in love with Veronica already. Like everybody is. SANDY: Oh yeah. He’s got it bad. He’s got it very bad. Um. But how could you not? SCARLETT: I love the lines. It’s like, was that guy your boyfriend? It’s like, um, no. That was just the random guy that she was kissing. SANDY: Yeah. She just, you know, had dinner and you know, kissed him a little bit ‘cause, you know, they were good friends. Um. SCARLETT: Right. Oh, she does that to everyone who buys her dinner. [Snickers] SANDY: Yeah. I just think that- SCARLETT: Well maybe she does. Maybe our little Veronica’s turned into a slut when it comes to college. SANDY: Yeah. She could be a little; she could be a little tarty. We don’t know. SCARLETT: She could be a little Parker. SANDY: Yeah. Well let’s talk about Parker. Do we think- here’s the interesting thing, you know. Parker, we don’t know if Parker actually does get around a lot or if Mac is over-exaggerating based on her somewhat limited experience with men, and it not being a good limited experience. Is she sort of exaggerating Parker’s behavior? SCARLETT: See I’ve argued about this, and I think that Parker is like every other girl that goes to college or uni, and like, that first week - we call it Freshers’ Week – everybody just goes a bit crazy, and they party, and they stay out all night, and you know, probably hook up with too many guys. And it’s not their normal behavior but it’s something about that first kind of week of college that makes people do that. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: I think Parker was just kinda throwing herself into that. And I think if Mac kind of had a horrible experience with her uh, her evil Beaver, then- [SANDY laughter] SCARLETT: Well not her evil beaver. Her evil Beaver that she was dating. Then I think uh, I think she’s maybe, would have been a bit more relaxed about it. SANDY: Yeah. I think it’s interesting because I think where Piz is sort of the anti-Logan, Parker was sort of the anti-Veronica in that she’s very open and trusting, and sort of full of life, and, you know, Veronica’s very guarded and sort of keeps her emotions to- SCARLETT: The look on Veronica’s face when Parker starts getting changed in front of her is classic. SANDY: Yeah. It’s pretty funny. SCARLETT: She just doesn’t know how to handle having a girlfriend-girlfriend. SANDY: Yeah. And the thing is, Parker in that scene, I don’t think in terms of changing or whatnot, was doing anything that’s that unusual for a university. SCARLETT: Out of the ordinary. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think, you know, especially in college girls do just sort of- I mean she wasn’t, she turned her back to Veronica. It wasn’t like she was walking around in the room naked. It’s just it was so not what Veronica does. So I think it’s interesting that you sort of have those two characters that are, you know, a nice contrast to our two main characters. SCARLETT: Yes, because Mr. Dohring’s been bumped up in the credits as well. SANDY: Yeah he’s number, number two on the billing which is great for him and great for a lot of Jason Dohring/Logan fans, and I’m excited to see sort of where they take his character this season. SCARLETT: Yeah, I mean going- well sticking with kind of the characters but going a little bit into the relationship side, he’s obviously so much more into Veronica than she is into him. She I- she’s still quite guarded, like you said. And I think their scenes together really showed that. SANDY: Yeah I think I- see I don’t think it’s um, necessarily a reflection of how she feels about him. I think she probably cares about him the same way that he cares about her. She just doesn’t necessarily show it in that same way. I think because she’s very- she kind of holds back and is a little- I think she’s afraid to trust him, which might, you know, minimize some of the feelings that she has for him ‘cause she’s not really necessarily open to having really strong feelings for him. Um. SCARLETT: Yeah. But I don’t know. I think it could cause problems later on. But it was still cute when he gave her his key card, even though it’s like if you know Veronica, two of her ex-boyfriends have lived in that hotel suite. She’s gonna have that card already. [Laughter] SANDY: She probably does. SCARLETT: There’s no way she did not have a key card to that Neptune Grand room already. I’m sorry. SANDY: Yeah. She probably does. One has to assume. Um. SCARLETT: It was an optimistic thought on Logan’s part, but you know. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: She’s got it already, sweetie. Sorry. SANDY: Well you know he could’ve changed the key card code after Duncan disappeared, in which case she would need a new one. I don’t know. Anyway, the gesture was really sweet because it was a way of him saying look, I know that you’re nosy and you could drop by and go through things, or snoop, or show up unexpectedly at anytime, and I’m totally okay with that because I have nothing to hide. SCARLETT: Oh, I hadn’t thought about this new thing. That is quite nice. SANDY: Yeah. You know, I think it was just a way of him saying to her, I’m 100% committed to you and here’s how I’m gonna prove to you that I am. SCARLETT: And they’re even sharing weapons now. That’s cute. [Giggles] SANDY: That was really cute. SCARLETT: Even if it’s to save Dick Casablancas’ ass, but you know. SANDY: I loved that Taser scene. Just the way that he was like, “bag,” and she just hands it over without a thought. I loved that. That, to me that said more about their relationship than the sex scene did. SCARLETT: Yeah. I mean. Well, I know that lots and lots of people including myself were like, what? It just kinda was… I don’t know. I mean I think my, my thing was I didn’t want them together over the summer at all, so. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: I’m just still a bit bitter. I didn’t want to miss all of the awkward. That’s what I liked. That’s what’s so great about the kiss scene in Weapons of Class Destruction. Everything is awkward and new, and just… the show portrays that really well, I think. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: And to just cut that out, and just not show all of that, I think was just such a shame. SANDY: Yeah. I think it was really unfortunate. I think, you know, you and I were talking about this before we started this podcast and I think that this is a prime example of where this comes into play. You know, the show was always sort of… on the edge of is it gonna be around for another season, is it gonna be around for a full season, that it, that that sort of fear dictates sometimes what gets shown on the show. And you know, I think we can all probably assume that Veronica and Logan being back together at the end of last season was one of those instances where the show didn’t know what its future was gonna be and it wanted to provide some sort of resolution for fans in the event that the show didn’t get picked up again. SCARLETT: But even then it was ambiguous. They might not have been back together. Things could have changed when she was in New York. You know. I mean I know that I’m quite glad we didn’t have flashbacks to be honest, because I don’t think they worked in season two, and I think that they learned a lesson from that. But, you know, I think they could have started season three as tension-y… unresolved sexual tension friends. You know? SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: I just think they could have taken some time after their tragedy. I know that the type of people they are they probably just threw themselves into it, but I don’t know. SANDY: I just think that again that comes from the fact that they didn’t want to start us off at the summer, that we had to sort of jump into okay, we don’t want people to feel overwhelmed by jumping into a plotline they don’t understand. So we’re gonna start fresh, start at college, start at this new setting, and it kind of forced them to make that 3 months jump. And I think it’s unfortunate for us who’ve been fans the whole time ‘cause we really wanna see sort of- we don’t wanna miss any second of – particularly with that relationship – but I think it would’ve clarified a lot of things with the briefcase and all that to see some of the summer actually play out, and it seems like we’re forced into making that jump because of the ratings situation where the show is. That they sort of have to make those sacrifices. SCARLETT: Well I know you may think it’s crazy, but I really hope they break up quite soon. Not angst-fully, not horribly, but I love my Veronica when she’s on her own. Because that’s what- I felt like I had my Veronica back this episode. Did you not feel like that, like season two there was a lot of time she didn’t seem like Veronica? She kinda was grasping to her normal. SANDY: Yeah. Well I think that was sort of a theme, yeah. SCARLETT: Especially the scene with the T.A. in her like, Criminology class. I was like, yes. That is Veronica. You know? SANDY: Yeah. I really like that scene because I thought they did a good job of sort of, you know, in a couple of minutes showing who Veronica is, you know. Quick. Sort of clever. You know. Unafraid to rub somebody the wrong way. I really liked that scene a lot. I loved it. SCARLETT: It was great. And Lucky was there as… not Lucky, in a really bad wig. SANDY: Yeah the, the wig was bad. The wig was really bad. But it was fun to see, you know, the ghost of Lucky antagonizing Veronica in her new academic setting. SCARLETT: And I- see it means nothing to me, but one of my friends recognized the professor from a different show. SANDY: Yeah he’s been on a couple of things. SCARLETT: He played a professor or something. I’m like, okay. But um, yeah. Could she be a teacher’s pet? Because he must know who she is. He must know. SANDY: Yeah. He’s in Criminology. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of wonder about that. I feel like he has to know who she is, right? SCARLETT: Because he didn’t seem surprised when she beat the record by ten minutes and, you know. SANDY: Yeah. He just seemed amused. He didn’t seem surprised at all. Just sort of, you know, like it wasn’t unexpected to him. SCARLETT: And I’m really glad that they showed that scene rather than like, her first ever college scene being in a photography class or something, you know. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. SCARLETT: I don’t know why. It just needs more. SANDY: But she was reading a photography magazine. SCARLETT: Yeah. I liked that part. I love those little details. SANDY: Yeah. I thought that was cool. I was like, aw. She’s reading a photography magazine. She’s not reading like, Cosmo or Elle. You know. She’s learning up on her trade. SCARLETT: Because that’s not Veronica. You know. SANDY: It isn’t at all. Um. Well. You know, speaking of people who would read Cosmo or Elle, let’s go back to Parker for a second. You know. I cannot wait- SCARLETT: That was like, the worst segue ever. But let’s go back to Parker. SANDY: Sh! Scarlett! Just roll with it. Um. Okay. But Parker. Obviously her whole world is gonna be turned upside-down. And Veronica’s gonna feel somewhat guilty about what happens to her. SCARLETT: Oh yeah. SANDY: What do we think is gonna happen with her? Do you think she’s gonna be angry? Do you think that she’s just gonna fall into depression? Do you think Veronica’s gonna be motivated by the guilt? Is Parker gonna blame her? What do you think’s gonna happen? SCARLETT: I think, well I think it was obvious they were gonna bring up the whole rape thing again. Especially since in um, Not Pictured we found out that Veronica really was raped and it wasn’t not-not rape, and um, I don’t know. I think because she was drunk at the time and that’s why she didn’t realize, I think it’s gonna hit her quite hard. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: ‘Cause I mean, the guy could have raped her too. SANDY: True. She was, she was a little drunk. SCARLETT: She was in the room. The guy could have done anything to her as well. SANDY: Well she wasn’t drunk when she went into the room um, to get the tickets, which is when the rape was going on. She was drunk when she came back and the guy was already gone. SCARLETT: That’s true. But like, he could have stayed, you know, if he had the access to the room… SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: I don’t know. SANDY: Right. Just that this was the one night that she sort of let herself go and let herself have a little fun, and look what happened. You know? It’s like, finally she let’s herself do something that wouldn’t normally do. She lets herself get a little tipsy, drops her guard, and boom, somebody gets raped. Like. It’s gonna definitely mess with her psyche. SCARLETT: And the fact that Mac wouldn’t go into the room, you know. I think that might hit her quite hard as well, you know, that she just left Parker. SANDY: Yeah. Definitely. SCARLETT: And Mac was sitting outside of that room for ages. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. SCARLETT: I think that it might hit her harder. But I like that it’s a personal- like, I guess that this is gonna be our first little mystery. I like that it’s more personal. You know, the bus crash was a disaster because it didn’t really affect Veronica personally. But, I mean she was there. She was in the room while it happened. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: You know? SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: So it’s cool. SANDY: She’s got a driving force. I’m looking forward to seeing how it plays out. Um. I think the last thing that we have to touch on before we run away. Well actually, we should save this. We should save this for our next segment. I wanna talk about the new credits, but we’ll save it ‘til we get to the music segment. SCARLETT: Cool. SANDY: ‘Cause we have to talk about those, right? We can’t let a whole podcast go by and not talk about the new credits. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: All right. Well we’ll come back then with our music segment. Unless there’s anything else you wanna add about the episode? SCARLETT: Um. Kendall’s dead. [Gasps] SANDY: Kendall is dead! We totally- I totally skipped over that whole plotline! [CAMERON: What about Piz?] SANDY: Kendall’s dead. SCARLETT: I think most people did. I think that was the most confusing plotline for somebody who wasn’t previously a viewer. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: But you know what? I don’t think we really need to talk too much about it because I think it’ll come out in the next episode more, and I want to say one thing to Keith: Stop doing things you wouldn’t normally do! I was like, just when he went and took the woman away from Woody, you know? Why? Why Keith? Stick to your morals. SANDY: Yeah. That’s a good point. Why is he helping people run away? Yeah. SCARLETT: Don’t do stuff you wouldn’t normally do. SANDY: That’s an excellent point. And pay attention when Vinnie Van Lowe comes to your office. Don’t let him- Veronica would never let him plant a pen on her. Come on, Keith. SCARLETT: It’s an omen of badness, you know? SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: And also, if you’re gonna, you know, cart fugitives over the line, you’ve got to expect that your daughter’s gonna go to her boyfriend’s hotel room, you know? Don’t be surprised. [Laughter] SCARLETT: Just don’t bother calling. It’s a given. SANDY: Yeah. Especially when you know that your daughter’s sexually active. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: I mean, she did have Chlamydia. And she didn’t seem that surprised by it. I mean, she was surprised. But not to the point of “I haven’t had sex, how could I have Chlamydia” surprise. So. Come on, Keith. SCARLETT: Oh my God. This is immaculate birth, Daddy. [Laughter] SANDY: Exactly. All right. Well, on that note I think we should take a break and we’ll come back with our music segment. [BREAK! But it is all for naught. It is a commercial. Cameron still types. Sadly.] NEWVO: Who said music was always squeaky clean? Well The Unwashed are putting the “rrr” back into “dirrrty.” The Unwashed will be playing at the Hearst student union next weekend, so make sure you drop by and check them out. CDs will be available during the show. Unclean. Uncut. Uncensored. Unwashed. Their dirty laundry is out for everyone to see. [MERCIFULLY BRIEF! Alas, Sandy is back.] [WITH RATINGS. Cameron trembles.] SANDY: What’s up, Pirates? This is Sandy and I’m here to talk to you about this week in ratings. Now, here’s the deal. Veronica Mars is still not ahead. Its ratings place is firmly in the middle to bottom half of the CW’s lineup ratings-wise. The good news, however, is that with the exception of America’s Next Top Model and Smallville, all of the shows on the network have similar, somewhat average ratings. And Veronica Mars is nowhere near the bottom of the pack like Runaway and the Sunday night comedies. SANDY: In fact, both of those sets of shows are doing so poorly that the network’s already started shuffling around the lineup with them. Veronica’s situation gets even better, in fact, if you look at how it did in comparison to Gilmore Girls, if you look at the retention rates. Now we now from Dawn Ostroff that the network isn’t really looking solidly at total numbers of viewers in the fall session of this network’s season. In large part because they’re just concentrating on getting people to tune into the network at all. What they are concerned about is retention rates, and that’s something that Rob has told us many, many times over. SANDY: So let’s look at the retention rates Veronica Mars out of Gilmore Girls. Now if you look at the total Household retention rate, Veronica Mars retained about 68% of GG audience. This isn’t a great number but it’s not really bad either, particularly in light of One Tree Hill’s second episode, which only retained 51% of ANTM’s audience. Things get a little better for VM when you look at the demographic numbers. Well, particularly if you look at the CW’s target demographic, which is actually smaller than the national demographic. SANDY: Nationally, advertisers usually look at the 18-40 demographic, and if you look at that for VM we retained 75% of GG’s audience in that demographic. The CW is actually skewing a little smaller than that, a little younger, and they’re looking at the 18-34 target demo. And if you look at VM there, it retained 83% of GG’s target audience. Now. This is good news for VM in the sense that it shows the show actually does skew young, which is something that the network is concerned about, and that it is retaining a large percentage of GG’s audience in that target demographic. SANDY: Now I mentioned before that OTH actually retained 51% of ANTM’s audience. The thing to remember about that is that was the second episode of OTH, not its premiere episode, and this was of course VM’s first episode of season three, and generally premiere episodes usually get better numbers than subsequent episodes. And VM at this point in time really can’t afford to lose a large percentage of its viewership or to let those demographic numbers and retention rates go down. But I think if things hold steady we should be in pretty decent shape and it’ll definitely be interesting to see where things go from here. SANDY: So that’s the ratings for this week, and we will see you next time, Pirates. [Cameron likes the info, not the typing. Sandy will have a word count limit if she does not put a sock in it. Aargh!] SCARLETT: Hi, Pirates. We’re back. And we have Bailey with us to talk about the music. Hurrah! BAILEY: Hi! SANDY: Hey, Bailey. BAILEY: I feel so strange being here and actually speaking about music for once. SANDY: Yeah, it’s been a while. SCARLETT: Yeah. We were the same with the episode discussion. We were like, what? We have a real episode to talk about? Why? BAILEY: It is odd. But it’s exciting. It’s exciting. So this week um, obviously we have the new remix of The Dandy Warhols, of the theme song. SCARLETT: I love it. I love it. BAILEY: You like it? SCARLETT: Sorry. Yeah. I do. I really do. I love the new credits. I’m on the bandwagon. I’m on the Welcome Wagon. [Laughter] BAILEY: I love the visuals. Let’s just leave it there. Um. SANDY: I like the remix too. Um. I’m on Scarlett’s side of things. We won’t argue with Bailey about it, but I really like it too. BAILEY: I don’t think I disliked it. I just think it’s gonna take some getting used to ‘cause it’s so different. I think that’s what it is. I need to… get in the flow of it first before I… yeah, I don’t know what I’m talking about, but that’s okay. SANDY: Okay. BAILEY: Sorry. SCARLETT: It’s fine. I think it fits more with the genre the show’s supposed to be in. You know, it’s like it is more dark and kind of moody. BAILEY: Yeah. Definitely. No, it definitely does and I agree with that. Like I said, I don’t dislike it. I just need to get used to it. Um. Okay. The first song we heard in this episode is Rump Shaker by Wreckx-N-Effect, and of course that’s when Dick makes his grand entrance in a Speedo. Which uh, the first time I watched it I didn’t even notice there was a song. [Cameron notices that Bailey quickly moves from one Casablancas to another. It seems that she prefers Dick to Beaver.] SANDY: Yeah. I totally forgot about- I was like, Rumpshaker? Rumpshaker played? But then I was like I would know that song. But obviously of course I did know that song and I do remember it now. I wouldn’t have even thought about that. SCARLETT: The frat boys with their boom box. SANDY: Yeah. BAILEY: Yup. SANDY: And Ryan Hansen… SCARLETT: We were all distracted by the Speedo. SANDY: We were. [Cameron is still distracted by the Speedo. It almost rivals the Red Speedo of Mulder. Almost.] [Laughter] SCARLETT: My country’s flag proudly displayed. [Laughter] BAILEY: Yeah… SANDY: That’s very true. SCARLETT: And of course… SANDY: That was Ryan actually just giving a shout-out to you, Scarlett. You know. SCARLETT: It was. Me and Ryan, we’re like that. I’m crossing my fingers right now. Since you can’t see me. [Giggling maniacs] SCARLETT: If he really loved me it would have been the Scottish flag, but oh well. I’ll take what I can get. BAILEY: Poor Ryan. Um. You can hear the song or download it at their MySpace, which is: http://www.myspace.com/wreckx-n-effect_booyah SANDY: Again, I was sitting here trying to think- SCARLETT: But don’t you know, Bailey? That’s what I do. [Scarlett makes a thousand fanboys cry tears of joy.] SCARLETT: As a college student I can’t wear the same top for more than ten minutes. [Laughter] SANDY: You need different outfits. SCARLETT: I’m changing right now. BAILEY: Ooh. SANDY: Once again I was very confused as to why a Pussycat Dolls song would be playing on Veronica Mars, but then again it makes sense if it’s coming out of Parker’s boombox or CD player. I guess it wouldn’t be a boombox. [Spell-check does not recognize the word “boombox.” Did spell-check miss the 80s? Did spell-check also miss the invention of “spell-check?” It doesn’t know itself. It forces Cameron to accept a hyphen.] BAILEY: Most of the time when you hear songs that don’t really fit it’s because someone else is listening to it on the show. We’re not just hearing it. SCARLETT: It’s super-special [mumble] music. SANDY: Yeah. BAILEY: Okay. And then of course we have The Unwashed, which are really Four Fifty One. And the song they’re performing is called Socks and Shoes. And you can hear it at their MySpace page, which is: www.myspace.com/fourfiftyone. And that’s it. There’s two more songs but we haven’t been able to figure out what they are yet. It’s the one where at the club Veronica is talking to what she calls the munchkins, and then also the cafeteria song, which we were just talking about, which is unidentified. SANDY: Awesome. SCARLETT: I wanted to find out what it was. For anybody that’s ever watched the Australian soap Neighbors, because I’m sure we must have- [Podcast transcribing interrupted when Cameron’s computer spontaneously and accidentally downloads Rump Shaker, causing her iTunes to cut Scarlett off as it immediately plays the song. LOUDLY. Cameron decides to listen and shake her rump. Just go with it. Zooma-zoom-zoom-zoom.] [AND it’s over.] SCARLETT: -Australian listeners. If we have listeners at all. And there’s the cafÈ, and it plays the same song on the jukebox day after day after day. I want this to happen in Veronica and Logan’s cafeteria. So. This is my hope and shout-out to Neighbors. Possibly the greatest soap opera ever made. SANDY: I don’t know- I’ve never seen an episode of Neighbors, like I said before I’ve heard of it. Um. So I’m not familiar with this song. SCARLETT: I like this. I know something and you guys have never heard of it, and it’s like pop-culture. Usually it’s the other way around and I’m like, what? BAILEY: I’ve heard of it, I just didn’t understand. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: That’s sacrilege. SANDY: Well, next thing we know they’ll be making some American version of it and it won’t be nearly as good. SCARLETT: That would be scary. SANDY: Except the U.S. version of The Office, which I love and adore. SCARLETT: Oh, me too now. [BAILEY harrumphs] SCARLETT: What was that noise? [BAILEY laughter] BAILEY: That was me pooh-poohing the American version of The Office; which- we’re losing listeners as we speak because I’ve said that. SANDY: Oh, I love the U.S. version of that. I love the UK version too. SCARLETT: You’re [mumble] Bailey. I love it too. And I was an original hater. BAILEY: I love the UK version. I can’t help it. SCARLETT: So do I, though. SANDY: Listen- yeah, me too. The UK version of The Office is probably - after Veronica Mars – my favorite show on the planet. But I think that this one instance where the U.S. actually got a remake right and is doing a good job. SCARLETT: Not the first season. The first season sucks but the second season’s good. SANDY: Yeah. Second season. BAILEY: Oh, well the first season is all I’ve watched. I watched a couple episodes and I was like, eh. SCARLETT: No, it sucks. Watch the second season. SANDY: Yeah. It’s good. SCARLETT: But watch Veronica Mars first. SANDY: Yeah. [Laughter] BAILEY: Veronica Mars always comes first. SANDY: Yes. BAILEY: So that’s it for music in this episode. SANDY: All right. BAILEY: And I just- I have one last little thing to say. SANDY: Okay. BAILEY: We’re actually premiering a song on here today right after the music segment. And it’s a Veronica Mars song by The Annabel Chongs who are amazing. I’ve been in contact with them for a little while and I’ve kind of- I’ve been waiting very impatiently for this song and it’s finally here, and we finally get to play it. And I think it’s perfect that it’s in time for the- [BAILEY disappears. Endless silence.] SANDY: Premiere? It’s in time for the premiere. We might have lost Bailey there. I don’t know. Scarlett, are you still there? SCARLETT: I’m still here. SANDY: All right. We’ll be- BAILEY: I’m sorry! [Laughter] BAILEY: I started coughing and I hit- SCARLETT: Did you get so excited? [Laughter] BAILEY: No, I started- I have a little bit of a cough and I went really quickly to cover my mouth and try and make sure that I wasn’t like, hacking into the microphone. And I think I accidentally hit the mute button. SANDY: Oops. SCARLETT: You guys and your mute buttons. You’re awful. [Laughter] BAILEY: They’re so- they’re not in a good place. It’s so easy to hit. But anyway, yes. It’s very fitting I think that it is here in time for the premiere. And I’m excited for everybody to hear it. Like I said, it’s a very great band. And they actually, they gave out some CDs for the Veronica Mars song at the premiere party in New York, so some of you have probably heard it. But yeah, so that’s coming up nest. SANDY: All right. Awesome. Well thanks for stopping by, Bailey. BAILEY: No problem. Thanks for having me. SANDY: All right. We’ll be back, Pirates. [Veronica Mars by The Annabel Chongs. It is fantastic. Cameron was at that party, and The Annabel Chongs hit her with a couch. Her brush with fame and greatness; so sweet, yet so brief.] BAILEYVO: In 2007, 1.4 million people will sit down to watch Veronica Mars in matching pajamas. 75% of these viewers will drink tea and eat cookies while discussing the state of the Veronica/Logan relationship. While 15% will paint their toenails during commercial break, 10% will even resort to braiding each other’s hair during the more complex storylines. You can put a stop to this. Dare to keep Aerie girls off the air. This public service announcement was paid for by the advocates to keep Veronica Mars badass, and by Neptune Pirate Radio. SANDY: Welcome back, Pirates. Well, we hope that you enjoyed our first podcast of Veronica Mars season three. SCARLETT: Hurrah! Hooray! It was good. I enjoyed it. SANDY: Yeah, it was fun. It was fun to actually get to do a full-on episode podcast again. Hopefully next time we’ll have Theo here. SCARLETT: I know. I miss him. Please come back to us. SANDY: Seriously. SCARLETT: We’re not that horrible. SANDY: We love you. And we miss you. SCARLETT: I have cookies! [Giggles] SANDY: Send them trans-continentally. Well, on that note I think it’s time for you to take us out, Scarlett. SCARLETT: This is Scarlett with your inspirational greeting of the week. Hitch your wagon to a star. –Ralph Waldo Emerson SCARLETT: We’ll see you next week, Pirates. Bye! [CLOSING THEME! Brent Pocker- Neptune’s Water] BAILEY: If you enjoyed the music featured in this week’s podcast, find out more at www.neptunepirateradio.com or email me at bailey@neptunepirateradio.com. Additionally, some of the music you heard here tonight was provided by the Podshow Podsafe music network. Check it out at: http://music.podshow.com. 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