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This podcast is produced by fans of Veronica Mars, and is in no way affiliated with the UPN/CW network, Rob Thomas, or The Powers That Be, and does not reflect the views of any of the entities creating and producing the show. [Greeting of many greetings.] [OPENING THEME MUSIC: Vancefurd- Pirate Song] THEO: Aargh! Welcome, Pirates, to this week’s edition of Neptune Pirate Radio. I am one of your hosts, Theo, and with me today we have Sandy. SANDY: Yay! I’m so glad you’re back! THEO: I am so thrilled to be back, especially with this week’s episode. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: And I realized that I haven’t been on since… it’s been like, it was like three years ago since I’ve been to the show. And I apologize for my uh, jet-setting ways, and I promise to never stray again. SANDY: Yes. THEO: But before we get started for this week, I just wanna say thanks for clearing up the uh, the travel thing. SANDY: Oh my God. THEO: I know everyone uh, this is the first time I’ve been back, but uh- Sandy and I are pretty close. So we call each other quite a bit. And uh, I thought she knew where I was going until I actually listened to the podcast. And I was like; I’m not in Russia! I was never in Russia! [SANDY giggles] THEO: And uh, we had a really good laugh because she got pretty much everything wrong with the story that there could be wrong. SANDY: I know. I’m so dumb. THEO: We love her. We couldn’t do it without her. SANDY: I’m SO dumb. THEO: Um, but no I just wanted to say that after you talked about that last week, I got some emails from people in Prague and uh, Berlin saying hello, and they wished I was still around so we could meet up and chat about Veronica Mars. And I have to say I’m sorry, but by the time I got those I was already here. So uh, I couldn’t do it. But I would have, had I known. So I make a promise that whenever I’m jet setting again and traveling to some luxurious foreign destination, I’ll give the fans a heads-up. SANDY: Awesome. I think it’s so cool that Veronica Mars spans so far. [Cameron wants to make a Spanning the World reference but doesn’t know if anyone will get it.] THEO: You know, it was such a weird experience because I was walking down the uh, [something] street in Berlin and we were walking through like, essentially what’s the German version of The Today Show. You know, with the outside set, and it’s where people would meet. It was obviously not filming at the time, but uh, I looked at, you know, one of the two monitors that are against the wall, and lo and behold, it was Veronica Mars. I was like, wait, is that Celeste Kane? And sure enough- we were in the middle of a walking tour. I would have stopped everyone and made everyone finish the episode there with me. But uh, we had to keep going. So uh, I just kind of, I don’t know, told myself that I had to tell Sandy and Scarlett when I got back and share it with everyone here. So. SANDY: Yeah. Well speaking of Scarlett, just so people aren’t thinking that she’s off gallivanting around, you know, Eur- although she is actually gallivanting around Europe since she lives there… but um, she- I’m sorry. I’m full of these beautiful girl’s wisdom. Um. She’s actually really, really sick, as is Bailey, our music correspondent. So they’re both um, very ill. So they will not be with us today. Um. But our thoughts are with them. We certainly hope that they get better. THEO: Yes. SANDY: I recommend- THEO: We’ll do our best to pick up the slack. SANDY: Yes. And I recommend that they both, you know, take a load off, sit down on the couch, pop in some DVDs of our favorite show, and don’t do anything else. That’s my recommendation. THEO: Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. SANDY: I might as well be a doctor. That’s what I would prescribe everybody. THEO: You’re certainly qualified. I mean that’s a great recommendation. I can just see you setting up a practice now and like, everyone coming in. You’re like, oh, I prescribe Veronica Mars. I think… particular episodes for different ailments. [Laughter] SANDY: Yes. All right. Well on that note, how was the rest of your week now that you’re back um, and you’re not ignoring us anymore? THEO: Um. It’s good. The reason I wasn’t here last week was because I’m in the middle of a move. This week I’m getting cable. I’m getting the best leather furniture I’ve ever seen, a lovely armchair and a lovely loveseat on Tuesday. Just in time for me to sit down in my wonderful new apartment with my lovely furniture and watch Veronica Mars on my wonderful television. So I’m very excited about that. SANDY: Yeah, that sounds pretty much perfect. [CAMERON: It’s lovely and wonderful.] SANDY: Well, on that note… THEO: I can’t complain. Yeah. SANDY: Well, you know, I think it sounds good. I’m a little jealous and I want some new Veronica-watching furniture to look forward to. But um, on that note I think we should take a break, and we’ll come back and we’ll chat about this week’s episode. THEO: Excellent. SANDY: All right. We’ll see you soon, Pirates. [YAY! Quickest commercial break ever. Cameron is pleased.] [Commercial of humor] CAMVO: For all you Hearst men out there who are tired of being labeled gross or pathetic just because you enjoy standing in the Quad for hours at a team appreciating Bikini Babes in their natural habitat, there is help for you. Hac ‘Em ‘N Sac ‘Em. In just three short weeks we’ll teach you and a friend how to effectively hack the sac while ogling those gentle, yet elusive creatures, guaranteeing hours of uninterrupted Bikini Babe-Watching enjoyment. If we don’t have you camouflaged with wicked hacking, spinning and stalling skills, we’ll give you your money back. 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Now I have to admit I watched- the first time I watched it, and I know you and I discussed this and I think a lot of people out there probably feel the same way- but the first time I watched it I was really like, I didn’t think it was consistent with a lot of what Veronica’s done in the past. Especially when she sort of just quits the newspaper job. But uh, like I said, we’ve discussed it, and I’ve just rewatched this. Literally, I think I finished maybe 20 minutes ago. And I have to say, I’m a little more sympathetic to her now. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: She now works in the library instead of for the uh, untrustworthy editor, I think. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. Well that’s one of the things we talked about, you know. One of the reasons why I think she quit is, you know, I think in journalism in general you have to have sort of a trust relationship with your editor, you know, between editors and their journalists. And I don’t think- I don’t know that the editor necessarily did anything wrong per se, in that she didn’t report anything factually inaccurate. THEO: No. That’s true. SANDY: But it seemed unreasonable that she didn’t want to listen to Veronica, whose name was gonna be on the story at all. So I can understand not wanting to get into a working relationship where, you know, there’s so much on the line. In journalism there really is. Um. THEO: Plus I think it was sort of foolish of her to lose Veronica as an asset because you have the, you know, you have one story potential there. But if you use it and you rush it, you’re obviously gonna endanger your relationship with this girl who’s clearly brilliant and clearly very uh, adept at getting into places and getting the story. SANDY: Right. THEO: Which, she should have known her. I mean if you live in Neptune it’s hard to not realize what the Mars’ name brings for that. She really lost an asset. I think any good editor would have said, okay. We’ll hold off on this story or, you know, we’ll give you some time to make it, you know, to change it as you want. But um, clearly just rushing in like that, she was really foolish. SANDY: Yeah. You know, I agree. I think this was an interesting episode in that it seems like- it was more controversial than I thought that it was gonna be. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: It seemed like people came down on various sides of the line in terms of what they thought about this particular episode. And you know I really loved it. I’ve talked to um, Scarlett and Bailey. I know they really liked it too. But I try to keep tabs on varying opinions, and I know that there were some people who were pretty frustrated with different aspects of this episode, which we will get to. But before we get to the highly controversial aspects of the episode um, with the sorority, which I’m gonna put out right now a disclaimer: I was Greek in college. I was in a sorority. I was in a very um, Pheta Beta-esque sorority. THEO: Really? Did you change the lyrics of popular songs to the name of your sorority? SANDY: Oh my gosh. Yes. [THEO laughter] THEO: Oh God. All right. I’ll put in a disclaimer as well: I did not join a fraternity and I hated them. So you’ll have both, both sides of the argument here. SANDY: Okay. Well let’s be fair. I said that I was in a sorority. I didn’t say that I necessarily liked it. THEO: No, no. I know. But I mean, still. I’m past the hating stage. So I think we can both sort of see it from both perspectives. SANDY: Oh sure. Definitely. Um. So. We’ll get to that stuff in a minute. Let’s talk for a second about my favorite part of the episode, which was um- THEO: The streaking part? SANDY: No. Although I did really like that part of the episode. And I don’t have Scarlett here to squeal with. We’d be like: Hands In No Pants! Um. [Laughter] SANDY: No. My favorite part of the episode was when Veronica encounters Dick Casablancas and he is so confused. THEO: Oh God. SANDY: The most confused. THEO: In some world Bizarro-Dick’s being a total buzzkill. SANDY: Yeah! He’s like so- we didn’t talk really about Dick at all last week, and that was, I mean I thought Ryan Hansen knocked it out of the park last week. I thought he was amazing. THEO: Great. SANDY: It’s like we keep seeing these sides of Dick and I loved this utter confusion in which his whole world is radically turned upside-down, and he doesn’t know what to think. THEO: It was great. I love that part. SANDY: Veronica’s squeezing his cheeks. THEO: I love it. He looks- his face in that scene looks like he’s about to recoil in terror when she reaches for it. SANDY: Yeah. It’s like, all of a sudden he’s not gonna be rich and he’s gonna be a nerd, and everything is just gonna get completely flipped upside-down. Yeah. So anyway, that was my favorite part of the episode. Let’s move on to what led to the other favorite part of the episode – the Logan streaking – and talk about the prison experiment. THEO: Let’s. Okay. Would you have been a guard or a prisoner? Last, what is it? Last digit of your social security number; odd or even? SANDY: Um. It’s odd. So I would have been a prisoner. THEO: I would have been a guard. [Cameron would have been a guard too. If only she could break free of the prison that is NPR, she would exact her revenge. Bwahahahahahaha!] THEO: I could have gotten the information out of you. SANDY: Yeah. You think? THEO: I think I’m cleverer than you. SANDY: Really? I think I- I don’t know. That’s up for debate. I think I would have been more like Logan, and I would have come up with some way… honestly, you know what I would have done from the outset? And what I think was a flaw in the professor’s um, plan? THEO: Yeah? SANDY: I would have ignored, I wouldn’t have- I would have not memorized the information on the sheet. I wouldn’t have even read it. THEO: Yeah. I agree. SANDY: I would have just not given myself the opportunity to have the information. THEO: I think that’s good. I think that’s true. But I think that would have sort of uh, I don’t know, gone against the nature of the experiment. SANDY: Sure but, you know. THEO: No, I mean if you really just wanna win, and I mean you are playing a game just like, just like the first episode where Veronica plays the murder mystery game by her own rules. You know? I mean that’s one way of doing it. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: But uh, I think the odds are stacked greatly in favor of the detainees because, or I should say the prisoners, because you’ve only got a certain amount of- I mean if you’re in a real situation where you’re actually a prisoner and you’re future’s sort of up in the air, you’re susceptible to a number of threats on a number of… I guess, I don’t know what to say. Different various threats against you, your person, your future, whether you live or die. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: But, you know, a weekend in uncomfortable settings? I think it was- I’m really surprised that they didn’t clam up. But I have to give Wallace credit for that. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. THEO: Very clever. SANDY: He did good. He, you know, it was a very clever solution. And I think most people probably know this, but we’ll just go ahead and throw it out there, that this was based on an experiment that actually took place in Stanford. I actually took a Sociology and the Law class in law school and we did the whole, um, I think it was the Yale experiment where they, you know, forced pris- it was sort of based on the Nazi Nuremberg trials. THEO: Right. SANDY: How much would people do if they were given authority to do it? THEO: That’s right. SANDY: And this was an experiment from Stanford where they actually had to shut it down because the prisoners and the guards got… the prisoners were getting really um, mentally unsafe and… THEO: Wow. SANDY: So I think that was sort of the basis for this. THEO: I should ask everyone that’s listening out there, if you’ve ever done an experiment like this, sort of- I know a lot of people are college age. If you’ve ever been involved in this, I’d really like to hear about it. So you can email us here at the show. SANDY: Oh yeah. THEO: You can email me at: theo@neptunepirateradio.com. I’d really be interested in hearing about your experiences with a situation like this. SANDY: Yeah. That’d be awesome. And we are working- we’re actually working on getting a new number. We had a phone number that you could call into, but it was some totally random number. So we’re working on getting something like, 818-NEPTUNE, or 818-GOPIRATES or something like that. So we’re gonna have a new number for you guys really soon because we want- one of the things we wanna work on here in this season is more listener interaction and getting you guys involved. So if we get that number between now and then we’ll put it on our website. You can call in and tell us those stories. THEO: That’s right. But until then feel free to email me. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: Hopefully, I’ll try to respond to you. And if it’s a good story I’ll mention it on the air next week. SANDY: Yeah. It’ll be awesome. Um. THEO: Yeah. I thought it was great. I thought it was a lot of fun. It was fun to see Rider Strong there. Did you notice the- SANDY: Shawn Hunter! Shawn Hunter, what are you doing? THEO: What? SANDY: Why is he being evil? He’s Shawn Hunter. He’s, you know, been abused and abandoned, and he’s Corey’s best friend and he should be, you know, not torturing poor innocent guys from Freaks and Geeks. That’s how I feel about it. THEO: I know. Poor, poor guys. But it’s good to see the, sort of cameo. And I wonder if he’ll be back. SANDY: I don’t know. Well they’re all in the same Sociology class taught by Professor Homer Simpson, which is always… THEO: D’oh? Yeah. [Laughter] THEO: I loved that! I was so happy to see that. SANDY: Yeah. I thought that was really cool. THEO: I didn’t know what you told me. I didn’t know that the part was originally written for um, who was it? Stephen King? SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. They wanted Stephen King to come on the show, and he would have loved to do it but he um- THEO: Scheduling? SANDY: Scheduling conflicts, you know. THEO: Yeah. Wasn’t a snub. It was just sort of, you know. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: They were star-crossed. What can you say? SANDY: Yeah. Well ‘cause Rob has this whole theory that if you’re famous and you love his show, he’s gonna get you on. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: I could become famous, Rob. Put me on the show! THEO: Yeah! We’re both famous, and we certainly love the show. So uh… SANDY: I- I’m famous within my law firm. No. No I’m not really even famous there. [Laughter] THEO: I’m famous within my family and group of friends. I think that counts. [Laughter] SANDY: Put me on the show. Um. All right. Yeah. So. Anyway, so the prison experiment was really cool. I thought it was great to see some Logan and Wallace interaction. I thought it was great and reassuring to know that Wallace doesn’t let power go to his head, and neither did Logan, really. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: I think they both just kept trying to come up with creative solutions, which was really nice. THEO: It’s also good to see them bonding outside of Veronica. Because we’ve got best friend and boyfriend, which is always sort of a danger, you know. SANDY: Right. THEO: When they don’t get along or there’s competition, but to see them getting along sort of outside of a relationship with her; it was kind of hopeful. It was good to see. SANDY: Yeah. I liked it too and I really liked- I thought it was a nice touch at the beginning when the professor asks them to raise their hands, whether they would ever resort to torture, and Logan just doesn’t even bother raising his hand. THEO: No. Absolutely not. SANDY: And I loved that. Because I think, you know, Logan sort of is self-aware enough, and he’s experienced enough to know that, you know, probably in some circumstances… Weevil pisses me off enough… he’s getting tortured. Um. THEO: Speaking of which: Where’s Weevil? SANDY: Where is Weevil? THEO: I miss Weevil. SANDY: Weevil. THEO: Weevil, come back. SANDY: Come back. Seriously. THEO: Have we said- is it something we’ve said? I mean really? Because we apologize. We didn’t mean any of it. SANDY: We didn’t mean to hurt you, Weevil. THEO: We didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. Please come back. SANDY: What was nice to see was Lamb come back. THEO: Yes. In his ever evil, being an asshole, role. I love it. SANDY: Dude. He was so evil. THEO: That was uncalled for. SANDY: It was. I loved though that he was back to being… you know there’s been a lot of argument, has Logan been woobified? Is he too soft? Blah blah blah, whatever. But I, you know, I don’t think- we could discuss that for a whole podcast. And we might. During hiatus. Who knows? We’ll see. And I say hiatus because the show WILL get picked up for 22 episodes. THEO: That’s right. SANDY: Um. But it was nice to see Lamb being full-on psychotic jackass mode. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: Just being a total Pilot level jerk. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: Loved it. And Michael Muhney plays it brilliantly. So. THEO: I think so too. SANDY: Loved it. All right. THEO: I like to see uh, speaking of which: we’ll move on to the main, I guess plot point? SANDY: Yes. THEO: The main thing this week. Um. It was nice to see Parker sort of calm down and- I felt; I mean I understand why she was mad at Veronica. I don’t think it was a legitimate criticism of her not stopping her. But uh, I can totally understand that though. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: You can see how upset and hurt she was, and it just made you want to be like, aw, she’s been there before. Don’t like, get mad at Veronica. SANDY: Yeah. But I think it was a genuine reaction and I- THEO: I think it was definitely genuine. SANDY: I’m glad they sort of addressed the reason why Parker would choose to stay at Hearst. You know? THEO: Yeah. SANDY: Because normally you would think if something like that happened at your first week at a brand new school, you would transfer out. Right? THEO: Yeah. SANDY: And I’m glad that the show didn’t sort of just ignore that entirely, and said, okay. Well we recognize that normally somebody would transfer out or their parents would take them home, and here’s how we’re gonna address that. I thought that was good. THEO: Right. Yeah I thought that was uh… I don’t know. It was very uh- I love to see Mac sort of, kind of- you felt her being very reluctant in the first episode to even have anything to do with Parker. SANDY: Right. THEO: And uh, in this one she kind of gets over that. She’s like, you know, you should stay. You’ll be fine. And she’s kind of, you see like, the friendship starting. Because I’m sure Mac would have preferred to have a roommate a little more like her. But then Mac sort of says, you know, you’re a decent person. Don’t let these people do this to you. Stick around. You’ll be fine. SANDY: Right. THEO: So. I really liked that. I just love Mac. I think Mac is awesome. SANDY: Yeah, Mac is cool. And I’m glad that she’s a little less, um, judgmental and angry in this episode. THEO: Yeah. I think so too. I think she’s really sort of becoming much more mature about things like that. SANDY: Yeah. I agree. Well. Let’s talk about the main storyline uh, Veronica in a sorority. Wow. THEO: The Gates of Hell. SANDY: You know, here’s my first thing that I feel like I have to get out because um, we’ll talk about the pot and all that stuff in a second. But, you know, just her betrayal of the sorority and people thinking that all these people really liked Veronica, and they gave her a chance… blah blah blah. They didn’t like Veronica. They don’t know Veronica. They know Veronica’s undercover personality. THEO: TT. SANDY: It’s not like she lost an opportunity to genuinely be friends with people who accepted her for who she is. They don’t know her. They never knew her. And while it was nice that they liked her, what they liked is a very pretty girl who got drunk and danced on the table. That’s what they liked. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: I’m just gonna- I am so over… THEO: Oh wait, that wasn’t how you got in? [SANDY fake laughs] SANDY: I’m not talking about that. Um. Um. Yeah, it’s like flashbacks. [THEO laughs] THEO: Flashbacks. SANDY: Oh God. But uh, but yeah. What they liked is that she was a cute girl. I mean that’s all they knew about her when they invited her to the private party, is that she was cute. And then she got wasted and acted like an idiot- I mean, not really, but faux-wasted. THEO: Well you don’t think some of her real personality came out when she was talking to the uh, I forget her name. SANDY: Marjorie? Marjorie? THEO: Marjorie. SANDY: I mean, a little, but she’s still putting on a front. THEO: TT. SANDY: I mean a part of who Veronica is- THEO: The fact that she was even wearing that stuff and going there is really- SANDY: Yeah. THEO: She would never do that. SANDY: She would never do that. I think some of her personality probably came out a little bit, but it’s too hard to say- I mean maybe they would have loved Veronica as Veronica is. Who knows? But we can’t say that these were potential genuine friends, because we don’t know. They didn’t know Veronica. THEO: TT. SANDY: They knew Veronica’s faux-personality, in the same way that the people at Pan High didn’t know Veronica either. They knew Betty. THEO: Yeah. That’s a good comparison, I think. SANDY: You know, I think that there’s a comparison too between this episode and Drinking the Kool-Aid. I think they’re very similar in that in both instances Veronica sort of went undercover in an organization. THEO: She infiltrated some sort of group. SANDY: Yeah. She had preconceived notions about; she jumped to conclusions about using drugs in both organizations. [Laughter] THEO: Yes. SANDY: Um. She turned both organizations in and then later regretted it. And I think it was very true to form to see her act in this episode very much how she acted in an early season one episode. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: I thought that was cool. THEO: It’s very cool. SANDY: Um. So the pot? THEO: I have- on to the pot. Um. I have to admit I don’t have much experience when it comes to this, but there was a lot for one woman. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. THEO: I didn’t think- when I saw it, it didn’t strike me as a woman with cancer trying to, you know, dull the pains that, you know, that chemotherapy brings. But it was- there was quite a lot. And there was quite a sort of very organized uh, growing situation there. That’s what I kind of still think. The first time I watched it – this is where the biggest disagreement between you and I comes into play – but um, the first time I watched it I had no sympathy for them. I had no sympathy for the den mother. I had no sympathy for the house. I just thought typical sorority, you know, they’re hiding something. And I didn’t believe like, I believed the story that it was, you know, for the den mother with cancer, but I didn’t really care. You know? SANDY: Right. THEO: But the more I watched it and when I rewatched it just now, I have a lot of sympathy for her. But I don’t necessarily feel terrible that it was revealed, because I’m not sure I really believe that story. I understand that, you know, maybe some of it goes to her to help her get over chemo. But I asked a couple friends that have a little more experience than me and they’re like, that was more than just one person. SANDY: Right. THEO: That was more of like, a growing sort of, distributing operation. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: And uh, you know I don’t know whether I necessarily believe that it was all for her or whether it was- I don’t think it… I’m just confused, is what I’m trying to say, Sandy. I’m confused about this and I don’t know where I stand on it. SANDY: Yeah. Well, you know. Here’s the thing. First off, people complained that it was unrealistic for her to have to grow her own marijuana because marijuana is legal in California if it’s for medicinal purposes. THEO: Right. SANDY: And first of all, technically that’s true, but it’s not really true. Um. It’s still- there’s still a federal law against marijuana use and it’s, you know, I don’t wanna get into a whole legal discussion, but there’s issues with like, Ashcroft wanting to ban it. It’s a big, big mess and the truth is that it isn’t necessarily that easy to obtain even if you do think that it’s medically necessary for yourself. So. I don’t think that aspect of the show was that unrealistic in that she could probably face some roadblocks if she needed to get it for medicinal purposes. THEO: Yeah. Yeah. SANDY: So. That aside. Okay. Then you have the issue of Veronica sort of, um. I saw a lot of people call Veronica a narc, which I don’t get. But um, you know. I think if she’s going into the sorority, and her purpose is to do an expose on a sorority to find out what’s in the secret room, and she walks in the secret room and she sees a whole growing field of marijuana, that she could never- it’s not like she saw a baggie of pot. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: It’s not like she saw a little in the den mother’s drawer. THEO: Yeah. This wasn’t catching someone smoking a joint outside in the parking lot. SANDY: Exactly. This is a whole- and this happens in college. I mean I- I attended two different schools, and I won’t tell you which one, but in one of these schools that I attended they actually found a kid who was growing- he had his own marijuana plant factory in his dorm room in his ceiling. Like, above the ceiling tiles. THEO: Oh my God. SANDY: Yeah. And it’s crazy. This happens, and I think it wasn’t unreasonable for her to think that that’s what was going on when she first saw it and that that’s, you know, part of this whole illicit, illegal behavior of this sorority. And she reported it, which she was hired to do. It wasn’t like she just ratted on a friend who she knows smokes pot on the side. THEO: Yeah. Well, furthermore, if they den mother had caught her – as they claimed that they’d seen her on a camera inside of the room – why wouldn’t she rush down and say, oh, by the way, um, that’s all me. SANDY: Exactly. She should have clarified that right then. THEO: Yeah. Furthermore. I don’t understand how the den mother situation works or what’s sort of the loyalty, but would she really endanger the rest of the house by growing it there? SANDY: Yeah. THEO: I understand that they would let her, but I would think that’s more of a leadership role, and that, you know, you have to sort of… you know, even thought they might let you, you wouldn’t put them in danger like that. SANDY: Yeah. It’s highly irresponsible regardless. THEO: Sure. SANDY: I mean it’s irresponsible behavior on her part. THEO: It’s really- neither side you really can sympathize with. On one side you have these, you do have the sorority house breaking the law, we’ll presume and, you know, and allowing this to happen and covering it up. While on the other side you have this editor that just doesn’t care about why, or the reason behind this, that just wants to take down a sorority house. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. THEO: Maybe Veronica’s, maybe Veronica was- now that we’ve talked about this, maybe Veronica was really smart in just saying uh, you know, a plague on both your houses. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: And saying I’m not gonna be part of the newspaper. I’m not gonna be a part of the sorority. Maybe I’m just gonna check-in library books and stamp the little date there and be happy. SANDY: Yeah. I mean I think, you know I think Veronica’s reaction is pretty true to what a lot of us would do in that situation, where you’re hired to do a job. You do your job. You realize that things aren’t exactly as black and white as you thought because this is Neptune and things are never black and white. They’re always a nice shade of grey. Um. THEO: Or uh, actually stained glass yellow, as I’ve noticed. [Laughter] SANDY: Right. THEO: The first two episodes it seems like Neptune is the uh, world’s capital of making stained glass yellow panels. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: They were everywhere. SANDY: Yeah. There is a lot of stained glass yellow. But um, I think the fact that she did what she was hired to do and then realized that things were a little grey, and then felt guilty- she had no obligation to feel guilty about it. She didn’t technically do anything wrong. But she’s human like the rest of us. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: She sees this woman who’s very sick in the same way that, you know, the sorority girls probably- I mean they knew they were putting themselves at risk by allowing this woman to do it, and it wasn’t responsible. It wasn’t smart. But you’re human and you feel sorry for people, and you get caught up in those emotions. And I think Veronica’s reaction is pretty true to form in that she reacted in a very human way, where she’s normally busting bad people and here she’s busting somebody who isn’t a bad person. That we know of yet. She could turn out to be bad. But as far as what we know now she’s not a bad person, and that’s unfortunate. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: But it was still really an interesting take, and we still haven’t talked about Cormac and Kendall, and Liam Fitzpatrick and Keith. THEO: TT. SANDY: So let’s rattle through that really quickly, um, ‘cause we’re kind of running out of time before we take a music break. THEO: Yeah. Clever, clever Keith, I must say. Doesn’t surprise me ‘cause he always seems to be able to get himself out of tricky situations. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: But uh, I was kind of heartbroken that he actually gave the painting up at the end. SANDY: Yeah. But I don’t think- there were some complaints that Veronica would be upset that- or, you know, that it was unfair of him to not consult Veronica before he gave away what could be college money for her or a new life for her. But I don’t think Veronica would want blood money. I mean, you have to think. Woody’s blood. Cassidy’s blood. Kendall’s blood. All in that money. THEO: Yeah. I think Veronica would have respected whatever decision her father made. SANDY: Right. THEO: Because in the same way that she sort of asked him to respect decisions that she makes, as to, you know, who to date, where to go to school... SANDY: Mhm. THEO: You know, I think she would give him the same respect that he’s given her. SANDY: Yeah. THEO: Especially with something that he’s so involved in. SANDY: Right. I think that’s totally true too. And I just don’t think she would want the money any more than Keith wants it. How many people died so that that money would… I mean how many people had to die so that that money would fall into the Mars’s hands? Who wants that? THEO: Absolutely. SANDY: Who wants that burden on their education that forever they know that they have this degree, but it was paid for in blood money? I don’t think Veronica would want that. THEO: Yeah. I don’t think so either. SANDY: All right. Well I think we should take a break and come back to do music, since we’ve been rambling on forever about the episode. THEO: I know. [Laughter] THEO: That’s what we do. That’s what we do. SANDY: It is what we do. That’s what we do best. [CAMERON: It is what you do.] THEO: That’s what we enjoy. SANDY: All right. We’ll be back, Pirates. [Break but not really for Cameron! Commercial!] NEWVO: Unsure about how to create new friends at Hearst? Are you tired of feeling out of the loop? Would you like to join an organization where lifelong friendships are made? Then go Greek. The Greek life at Hearst College is in full swing. And it’s Rush Week! So visit your favorite sororities and fraternities and decide who to pledge to. If you wanna know more about our program, stop by the Hearst Student Union Greek Affairs office and we’ll help you out. Go Greek at Hearst, and make bonds to die for. [All Your Sins by Amplifico.] SANDY: What’s up, Pirates. We’re back. This is Sandy, and I’m here with Theo and we’re gonna do our music segment for this week. THEO: No! No! No. No. This is the music segment, so I’m Bailey. SANDY: Oh, you’re Bailey? THEO: That’s right. I have a cold, remember? SANDY: Oh, right. You’re sick, Bailey. THEO: That’s right. So uh, here we go. SANDY: All right. THEO: And I would appreciate it if you would call me Bailey for the rest of the episode. [CAMERON: I WILL NOT!] SANDY: Okay. THEO: Thank you very much. SANDY: You can do it. Um. Here we go. THEO: The first song in this week was uh- SANDY: Bailey, I- Bailey. I didn’t introduce you. I didn’t ask you to do the first song. You have to wait. [Cameron is distracted by the GODAWFUL ANNOYING ALARM CLOCK BEEPING through this whole exchange. Cameron thinks they all conspire to torture her.] THEO: I’m sorry. Did I mess up? SANDY: So- yes. Inexplicably, Bailey messed up. Um. Okay. Bailey. Tell us about some of the music this week. THEO: Yes, Sandy. Um. The first song on this week’s episode, My Big Fat Greek Rush Week, was uh, Thank Heaven For Little Girls, performed by the inimitable Maurice Chevalier. SANDY: Okay. THEO: And this is uh, during the scene where Veronica’s entering the sorority house, and we get to behold her in her flower dress glory. SANDY: In her little Alice band. Her little sorority gear. THEO: That’s right. SANDY: Excellent. Well um, was there any more music this week? THEO: Yes, Sandy. There was more music. Let me tell you about it. SANDY: Okay. [Cameron must let all the readers know that Theo and Sandy are being overly hokey through all these exchanges. Cameron does not like faux-mocking of Bailey’s music segment. Grr.] THEO: The next two songs were those butchered – I mean, changed – by the sorority girls. And the first one was True Colors uh, originally by Mrs. Cindy Lauper. And uh, that was sung- SANDY: Is she a Mrs.? Is she a Mrs.? THEO: I think she is. [CAMERON: NOT!] SANDY: All right. Okay. THEO: Um. You know. As Bailey, I’ll claim she is, because Bailey will be responsible for that if I’m wrong. [Laughter] SANDY: Email Bailey. Email Bailey. THEO: Email Bailey. [at] neptunepirateradio.com. Correct her. Please. [Laughter] THEO: Let her hear- let me hear from you. Correct me! I am Bailey. SANDY: At B-A-I-L-E-Y [at] neptunepirateradio.com. THEO: Um. That’s the song sung by the sisters on the stairs. The next two songs were unidentified. [CAMERON: You said there were two songs. That’s just one. Where’s Bailey? Where’s my Bailey?!] SANDY: Okay. THEO: And those were the songs when Veronica dances for the camera, and when she gets the panty-dropper. SANDY: Aw, I love those scenes. She was so funny. THEO: That’s right. I loved that. I thought that was such a great scene. But I think my favorite song of the episode, and uh, was Escape, which is (The Pina Colada Song). And that is performed by Rupert Holmes. SANDY: Yes. And we learned that Logan does in fact like Pina Coladas. THEO: Yes. And getting caught in the rain, I bet to wager. [Laughter] THEO: I thought that was so funny. I thought that was hilarious. I thought- I really thought for a second that he was gonna give the uh, information up, because he doesn’t seem like one to care about things like that. SANDY: Right. THEO: And he would probably just end up paying someone a hundred dollars just to write the paper anyway. So I would think his weekend would be more valuable to him then having to write a paper. SANDY: Yeah. You know, he’d get some quality Veronica time. Ooh-, which I have to say, and I know this is totally inappropriate for the music segment, but whatever. There might have been music playing in the background. THEO: Well as you know, as Bailey I’m rigid and unflinching with the rules, so I’ll allow it this time. Please don’t let it happen again, Sandy. [CAMERON: BAILEY! COME BACK!] SANDY: Okay. But how much did you love the scene between Logan and Veronica? THEO: Loved it. SANDY: They were so comfortable with each other and like, so true to a relationship I think that they were just sort of joking back and forth, but it wasn’t… I just think moments like that are so sweet when it’s just the two of them, and they’re just really comfortable, and you can see that they love and respect each other, but it’s not so overt. Because I don’t think that’s either of their styles. So I just… [Cameron gags all over the place. That speech was longer than that whole Logan/Veronica exchange. She’s just saying.] THEO: And I just think that the ability to successfully perform witty banter in front of people is one of the key uh, one of the keys to any good relationship. SANDY: I agree. I agree. THEO: And I love the uh, I have your picture up on the wall of my cell. Because it’s a long night so sometimes I loan it to Horshack. [Laughter] THEO: And her response was great. What was it? SANDY: It’s good to share. THEO: It’s good to share. [CAMERON: It’s also good to share MUSIC in the MUSIC segment.] SANDY: Okay. THEO: Oh, Veronica, you witty girl. SANDY: You saucy little minx. Okay. Um. All right. On that note I think- is that all the music we have for this week, Bailey? [CAMERON: No. Swing Low, Sweet Chariot.] THEO: Yes, Sandy. That is all the music we have for this week. SANDY: Excellent. All right. Well, thank you very much and we will catch you next time. All right. Thanks, Bailey. Slash Theo. THEO: Thanks, Sandy. See you next week. SANDY: Okay. Bye. [Fake Break] [THEOVO: Are you a music addict? Do you watch your favorite television show, race to the computer when it’s over, and download all the tracks you just heard? If you’re thinking yes, you’ve got a problem. And so do we. TV show radio works to feed that addiction, featuring all the music from Veronica Mars and other TV shows. You can listen every minute of the day at tvshowradio [dot] com. And, as if that weren’t enough, check out a full music guide, interviews with artists, rare music videos, an online store, and plenty more. You can even listen to other channels including: Grey’s Anatomy, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Angel. tvshowradio[dot]com. It’s like crack. For your ears. [Oh, and here is more crack for your ears. Good crack. I Guess the Kids are O.K. by Coltrane Motion.] SANDY: What’s up, Pirates. Um. That’s it for this week’s podcast. THEO: That’s all. I’m looking forward to next week already. SANDY: Me too. When we have Scarlett and Bailey back. THEO: That’s right. Speaking of which, I heard Bailey was talking trash about me during the music segment. SANDY: Eh, she was, she was dissing you a little bit. THEO: She’s just unprofessional. That’s what she is. SANDY: Completely. Totally. Unprofessional. THEO: Completely. [Cameron, the transcriber, is also unprofessional. Unprofessional enough, in fact, to eliminate Sandy and Theo from these transcripts. Maybe. She still kind of loves them.] SANDY: Um. All right. Well on that note we’re gonna end this week’s podcast and quit our rambling, which we tend to do when we get together. THEO: That’s right. SANDY: And um, we’ll see you next time. THEO: Bye, Pirates. We’ll see you next week. [NO INSPIRATIONAL MESSAGE! GASP!] [CLOSING THEME! Brent Pocker– Neptune’s Water BAILEY: If you enjoyed the music featured in this week’s podcast, find out more at www.neptunepirateradio.com or email me at bailey@neptunepirateradio.com. Additionally, some of the music you heard here tonight was provided by the Podshow Podsafe music network. Check it out at: http://music.podshow.com. [END BROADCAST] [Cameron misses our girls. Feel better!] [END TRANSCRIPT] |