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This podcast is produced by fans of Veronica Mars, and is in no way affiliated with the UPN/CW network, Rob Thomas, or The Powers That Be, and does not reflect the views of any of the entities creating and producing the show. [Greeting of many greetings.] [OPENING THEME MUSIC: Vancefurd- Pirate Song] SANDY: What’s up, Pirates? This is Sandy, and I’m here with Scarlett and we are ready to do yet another podcast. SCARLETT: Woohoo! SANDY: It is very exciting. It’s just the two of us this week, which is, you know, kind of fun. SCARLETT: We’re all alone. SANDY: All alone, and Theo has abandoned us once again. He promised us he was gonna be here but he totally lied. SCARLETT: I think he just doesn’t like us. I think this is the problem. SANDY: Seriously! You know we keep going on about how much he doesn’t like us, but let’s be honest. SCARLETT: When was the last time he showed up to record? SANDY: It’s been forever. I think he only likes Bailey and when he found out Bailey wasn’t gonna be here he was like, screw that. I’m not coming in. Um. SCARLETT: See, I think you’re on to a theory here. I think it’s true. SANDY: Loser. All right. Anyway. Well this was, you know, kind of a- I don’t think it was a big week in Veronica Mars news. There’s the Veoh challenge has- is still taking place where you can make your own video recaps for Veronica Mars. You should check that out. Um. You can find more information about that at the official Veronica Mars MySpace. I think they have their own channel on the Veoh network now. And I’m probably saying Veoh; I don’t know how you say that. SCARLETT: Is it Veoh [vi-oh], Sony Veoh? SANDY: No it’s the- you know how there’s like a YouTube, and there’s a Veoh? SCARLETT: No, I didn’t know. I’m a YouTube girl. SANDY: Yeah. Well I am too. But if you ever wanna watch… like when the opening credits came out early, or like the opening scenes for the new episodes or anything like that are all up on YouTube’s counterpart, which is Veoh. And I don’t know how to pronounce it, so. I suck. But um, yeah. And they’re hosting a video challenge where you can make – and they’ve been doing it for a couple weeks – where you can make sort of your own little video recaps of the previous week’s episode. You aren’t allowed to use- they’re not like music videos. You’re not allowed to use like, clips from the show or any copyrighted material, but you know. If you and your camera and, you know, your poster board want to draw little sketches of Veronica Mars scenes then go for it and sign up, or whatever. So that’s it. SCARLETT: That sounds difficult, actually. SANDY: Yeah, I think it’s pretty hard and they have one uh, sponsored up on their site right now. Like, they pick different ones that they feature on the Veronica Mars MySpace. It’s pretty cool, so. Yeah. SCARLETT: Wow. Is that your prize, that you get featured? SANDY: Yeah. You get featured on Veronica Mars MySpace. SCARLETT: Very cool. SANDY: Yeah. Um. So that’s very fun. And, you know this week was Halloween week. And Halloween is my favorite holiday, so. I was very excited. SCARLETT: I do love Christmas, but after Christmas Halloween is my favorite. You get to dress up and people give you sweets. What’s bad about that? SANDY: Exactly. And you know it’s always a fun excuse- I don’t know what it is about Halloween, something about being in costume, you know, inhibitions and costumes mutually exclusive, so. SCARLETT: Yeah. Especially with those guys who robbed that casino in the episode. Hmm. SANDY: Yeah! Exactly! SCARLETT: Suddenly you’re committing crime! Well I was really sad because I didn’t get to dress up this year ‘cause I was ill. So. I had to stay in bed. But no costume for Scarlett. It was sad. SANDY: That’s no fun. SCARLETT: I know. But we had eh, I should just save all of this for the episode discussion, but the costumes excite me. I like costumes. SANDY: Costumes are always fun. All right. Well on that note, we’ll take a break and we’ll come back and actually talk about this week’s episode. We’ll be back, Pirates. [BREAK] [Newsflash music] CAMVO: In today’s news, sources revealed that Tim the T.A. may actually be the long lost twin brother of thwarted Gia Goodman stalker, the late Tommy “Unlucky” Dohanic. Rumor has it that the uncanny resemblance was discovered when a large construction fan at the Hearst student union blew what appeared to be, quote, “one stanky-ass wig” right off Tim’s head. The alleged hairpiece reportedly fell right into Dick Casablancas’ bowl of Halloween-themed Jell-O Jigglers. Dick, who appeared confused by the uncanny resemblance, exclaimed, “Yo, Lucky. Where you been? Dude. We’re gonna get high and play Halo, right?” You heard it here first. We’ll bring you more news as this story develops. [Newsflash music OUT!] SANDY: Okay, Pirates. We’re back and I’ve left my little cave in order to podcast from a more appropriate location and discuss the episode. So. Hopefully we’ll be doing a lot better now. Um. SCARLETT: You’ll miss that cave. You will, Sandy. SANDY: I know. It’s just it’s my insightful cave. It’s where I go, you know like in Lost when Ecko goes in his little- no I guess it was Locke that goes into his little tent to think and… get his mind clear. That’s what I’m doing. That’s what I’m doing for you. [Cameron would like to see this tent.] SCARLETT: These are the reasons I don’t watch Lost, but… [Laughter] SANDY: Um. Okay. SCARLETT: An insightful tent? SANDY: Yeah… you know. SCARLETT: That sounds almost as great as this week’s episode. SANDY: Oh, don’t say that. I loved this week’s episode. I thought it was really good. SCARLETT: I think I was the only person on the face of the Earth- I didn’t dislike it. I just nothing-ed it. I blah it. You know? SANDY: Yeah. I’ve been like that with episodes. SCARLETT: The last few weeks have been so good. I thought they were so good. And then this week was like, really heavy on the exposition. Especially like, with the Lilly thing and the necklace. It was like, hammer, hammer, hammer. You will remember this from past seasons, which you didn’t watch (buy the DVDs). You know? [Laughter] SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. SCARLETT: It was just a bit like that. It was like, we’re gonna confuse you so much that you have to buy the DVDs. SANDY: Yeah. You know I thought… well that was the one thing about the episode, and like I said, I really liked it- but that was the one thing about the episode that I didn’t like was that exchange at the beginning where she told us, oh, this is Lilly’s necklace, which I’m wearing now for the first time this season because I’ve been thinking about her lately. Which is kind of a nice touch, because Lilly died in October, but I thought it was a little heavy-handed like you said. I would have rather that information about it being Lilly’s necklace come up after it was stolen. You know what I mean? Rather than highlight the necklace, steal it, and then be like, ah. Versus, have this necklace be stolen, wonder why it was that important to her, and then figure it out. SCARLETT: See that might have worked. Also, it was just a bit random that it was Weevil. You know, why would he know that Lilly gave Veronica a necklace, you know? SANDY: Right. Right. SCARLETT: Just a bit random. SANDY: At least to a new viewer. Whereas I feel like if, again if that had come up in the context of her accusation of Weevil when she stormed into Weevil’s house, it could have come up in a conversation that, oh, you know, you had a thing for her. You recognized the necklace. You know what I mean? SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: Where you could have used a little moment to establish the fact that he had had this relationship with Lilly, and brought in the Logan/Weevil/Lilly tension there as opposed to where it came in, which was just kind of awkward. I agree. I think that was the most awkward exchange and it’s unfortunate that it happened in the opening scene. SCARLETT: Yeah. And I mean it’s not- like I said it’s not that I dislike the episode. I did enjoy it. But it was kind of over before I realized it had started, you know? SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: It was a bit clunky. And I think that all the things they had would have worked, but maybe the script wasn’t stellar this week. But I really liked parts of it. SANDY: Yeah. I think um, what was so fun about this episode is seeing Cliff and Keith interact. Seeing Weevil come back. Weevil, Logan, and Lamb interact. I mean those were the big moments I thought of the episode that made it really fantastic. SCARLETT: Oh. We had Veronica faking voices on the phone again. That was quite nice to see. SANDY: Yeah, and the fake receptionist. Again I feel like there were a lot of… SCARLETT: Undercover moments. That kind of seems to be coming back. SANDY: Yeah. A lot more callback I think to season one type of activity with the faux phone voices, and the setting up the, the shop like a fake media thing. I thought that was so great and using Cliff as a voiceover actor- those are the moments that I really appreciate because that’s to me- SCARLETT: It was really funny to see Darren Norris get to play a bit with his voiceover skills, you know? It was cute. It was cool. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. SCARLETT: I really liked that. SANDY: Well I just think he’s great and it seemed like he probably had a lot of fun doing that, and being a little tongue-in-cheek about it. You know, it was fun and I thought, you know, the scene between Logan and Lamb and Weevil was such a great scene. I love seeing those actors interact. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: Seeing the tension between Weevil and Logan, which I always liked that tension in season one, and even early on in season two. It felt like it dropped off. SCARLETT: Originally it was there because of Lilly and stuff, and now it’s all about Veronica. You know it’s still that… they hate each other, you know, wrong side of the tracks, money differences, girl differences, there’s just like, everything. They’re complete polar opposites but they just have this one thing in common. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: Which is the girls they fall for. Yeah. No, I’ll go with that. I think Weevil has a little bit of a thing for Veronica. SANDY: I do too. Well he’s referenced the sort of sexual tension between them before, so. I think, you know, it’s good to see that they were sort of allies of convenience last season. The fact that they worked together over the Felix situation wasn’t indicative of this new, budding friendship. At the root of things they still don’t like each other, and it’s good to kind of see that come back. And in some ways I felt like a lot of that scene- a lot of this episode was sort of… I know the first episode of this season was supposed to be like, Pilot 2.0, but I thought that this was like, Pilot 3.0 in some ways, in that you were sort of reintroduced to things again. SCARLETT: You see, I thought this was heavier on the, just the back-story than the pilot was, you know? SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: The pilot seemed fine to me and I was really happy because I was scared that we’d go down that heavy exposition road. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: Now they seem to have done that with this episode and I was kind of disappointed because I was really kind of happy that they hadn’t done that. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: So. We’ll see. We’ll see if it gets worse or if it gets better. You know. SANDY: Yeah I think it’ll get better. I think the problem is that we, you know we kept hearing that the premiere episode was gonna be like a new pilot, and so I think we were all anticipating it. But then there was so much introduction of new characters in the first episode that we didn’t feel like we were being reintroduced to things. So I think it kind of flew over our heads a little bit, a lot of the pilot aspects of the premiere. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: Whereas this episode I feel like we were getting reintroduced to the relationships between characters that those of us who have been fans since the beginning have known for two-and-a-half years. So we already know how Lamb and Veronica interact. We already know how Lamb and Weevil and Logan and all that fits together, and we know about Lilly, and we know about Weevil and Veronica. And so seeing those things play out so heavily… to me it was a way to establish it. SCARLETT: Yeah I think they could have done it really well, and I just think that it was a bit clunky. That’s what I mean. They brought up these kinds of things in the pilot, but they did it really well. I think they just slipped a bit this episode. You know there was a ton of other stuff that was good, and you know. It was just kind of spoiled a little bit by a clunky script, I think. I think the ideas and what they wanted to portray with like, Veronica not trusting Weevil, and the Logan thing coming up- I think it was good. I think the script just slipped a little bit. You know? SANDY: Sure. Yeah. SCARLETT: Which can happen. SANDY: Um. But overall I thought it was a pretty fun episode. I think it wasn’t- maybe I guess for me it wasn’t as high energy as I expected a Halloween episode to be. Because it was Halloween and, you know, I was watching and I thought, oh, it’ll be a real high energy Veronica Mars on Halloween, and it wasn’t. But with that said, let’s talk about some of the things we did like about the episode. Um. I really thought it was- you know I feel like we’re falling into a pattern of Veronica accuses someone, we know immediately that person is wrong. You know, she kind of goes through three wrong people before she gets to the right person. Um. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: But I thought that, you know, I thought it was fun to get to see her investigate things in a way that didn’t strictly rely on using a computer search engine, you know? She did go talk to people and things like that. I kind of like to see the investigative sides that aren’t always using the Private Eye website. SCARLETT: And she found her little fanboy at the pizza place. That was kind of cute. SANDY: Yeah. That was a very throwback to Meet John Smith for me. I felt like they were very similar characters. SCARLETT: Yeah. I actually wondered if it was the same guy at one point because I wasn’t watching closely enough and I was just like, seriously, it could be the same guy. Maybe he just works at the pizza place now. [Laughter] SANDY: He jumped to the video store. SCARLETT: I was just waiting for him to be like, don’t you remember me? SANDY: Yeah I just thought it was cute to, again coming back to this it felt like a new pilot kind of thing- Because it was a way that they kind of said, look, these are some of the things that Veronica did in the past, you know. This is how she got to be who she is. You know it was a way for them to kind of slip in some of the things that she had done with, you know, throwbacks to the pilot, the real pilot, and Weapons of Class Destruction, which is a fan favorite episode for very, very many reasons. Um. SCARLETT: For various reasons, Yes. SANDY: Right. Well let’s- you know, she started investigating further into the rape this week too, which I thought was very interesting. SCARLETT: Oh yeah. SANDY: We learned a little bit more about what was going on with Claire. And what do you think? What do you think about finding out that Claire’s boyfriend was in the photograph? SCARLETT: I don’t know because um, also I’m not spoiled at all. Obviously. I’ve had so many people tell me their theories. SANDY: Mhmm. SCARLETT: Um. Which isn’t usual for me. So I don’t feel like I have my own theory. But um, I’ve just heard so many ideas about who could be behind it, you know? SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: Just from everyone. But I think it’s a little bit suspect, you know, that she didn’t own up to it being her boyfriend. I don’t know. SANDY: Yeah. I think- SCARLETT: But I really don’t know what to think about it. I’m not really a theory girl. I’m not good at kind of thinking forward. SANDY: Well I think it’s probably pretty clear that she… I mean that’s her boyfriend, and some people had been speculating already, myself included, that maybe this particular rape was kind of convenient in the sense that they found out while they were on air, on the radio, and she happened to be the girl pointed out in the picture. It’s possible that these people are getting… not that all the rapes are faked, but that this particular rape might have been the result of a sense of desperation with the girls of the house, in the Lilith House, that the administration wasn’t paying attention so they decided to kind of beef up their case a little bit by having her attend this party and then be raped. SCARLETT: Yeah. I’m- I really don’t like the Lilith House at all. I’m not sympathetic to them in any way. I don’t know why but I think there must be a reason for painting them that way. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: But I really dislike them. Like, more than the lampoon guys, the Hearst lampoon who did the comedy paper with the girl in the middle. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: You know. Just- their so over-the-top reaction. It’s just- ech. I don’t know. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: I’m on the fence with Veronica. It’s just like, come on guys. Calm down. You know? SANDY: Yeah. Well it seems like they’re really portraying- and I know one of the issues that people have had with this season in general is sort of the portrayal of the “feminists,” and whether or not this show is painting all feminists as being sort of radical and extremist, as this particular group of women who are also considered to be feminists are being portrayed. Because they really aren’t very sympathetic and they are very um, militant in a lot of ways. And you know it’ll be interesting to see if that was a conscious decision or if it was a really poorly executed commentary on feminism in general, which I certainly hope not, or if really they’re just trying to show extreme behavior so that Veronica’s behavior seems to be more in line with what the regular person would be. You know, you kind of walk the middle between accusing anybody. SCARLETT: It’s also like a call back the way that we again see Veronica was very quiet. She was stealthy about her rape. She didn’t tell anybody about it. These girls are shouting about theirs, you know. That’s got to make her uncomfortable. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: They’re literally standing, you know, with placards, shouting the fact that they were raped and she hid it even from her father, so. SANDY: Yeah. And it seems like even from last week’s episode, it seems like she had a very difficult time discussing it at all, so it is a very different type of behavior. But I think that, you know, I think it’s nice to see this season that she’s taking proactive steps to investigate this, these rapes and to find out what’s happened. And I’m really curious to see how things go now that she’s discovered that possibly this last rape isn’t a rape at all. You know? And what kind of impact that will have for the girls who were raped. Because we know at least three of the four victims outside of Claire- Claire’s victim number five. So three of the four victims we’ve heard about before that we- I think I feel pretty comfortable in saying definitively they were actual rapes. Because you have the Hawaiian girl from last season, Alia Shawkat’s character from last season, and Parker. And I think, you know, those three at least we can say were definitely raped. I think- SCARLETT: Also we’ve never ever had any… evidence, if that’s the right word? They don’t seem to have any, you know, I guess it’s nothing new to go shouting about. But you know they don’t have any DNA evidence. They don’t have any police reports. You know we’ve never heard about them doing anything apart from reporting it to the police, you know, and the fact that their heads were shaved. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: I mean it’s possible that they were all faked. Or that one girl got raped, or that, you know. I mean as long- it might be a little crude, but as long as they didn’t pick virgins and if the girls are really drugged… SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: Then there’s not much more that they would have to do to them for them to assume just because their head is shaved that the same has happened to them. SANDY: Right. And that’s- well the thing is, and when I say real rapes I don’t mean that they were necessarily… I mean real rapes in the sense that these girls really, legitimately believe that they were raped. I don’t mean they were necessarily raped in the traditional sense. I’m just saying I think that from what we’ve seen of these three girls and their personality… SCARLETT: That’s what I mean. Although they believe they were, perhaps they weren’t. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: It’s just the fact that it’s been very vague. The feminists and the Lilith House, of all the girls who’ve been raped we haven’t heard anything definitive that, you know, that proves that they were. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: I mean that’s not to say that they weren’t, but we haven’t heard either way. So the show seems to be leaving itself open there. SANDY: Right. Yeah and it’ll be interesting to see how it all ties up, you know. It should be tying up soon with this new 3-mystery arc thing that we’ve got going on. So it’ll definitely be interesting. Um. One of the other controversial bits about the episode that I wanna ask you about - just your opinion - is Veronica ripping the necklace off the little girl at the end. People felt really strongly about that. What was your reaction? SCARLETT: I loved it. I loved it. That was season one, Pilot bitter, disenfranchised Veronica to me. And I think that new viewers need to see that she can be like that. And that if you threaten her or if you try and cross her, she can be that way. And I know a lot of people didn’t like it and thought that, you know, that we just see too much of her being cold-hearted, but I thought it was great. SANDY: Yeah. I really liked it too, actually. I thought it was… the fact that she didn’t say anything and she just took it, she took what was hers, I thought was very, very in character. And I really liked it. SCARLETT: It was just the look. The expression on her face as well is just perfect season one Veronica there. SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. SCARLETT: I loved it. It was so good. SANDY: I agree. I really liked it too. Um. Well on that note I feel like we’ve probably exhausted this episode and I feel like this is the first time we’ve really kind of speculated about the rapes in general at all. It’s been so hard- it’s not… it’s been hard to speculate on who’s behind the rapes, and we didn’t necessarily go that far. But at least we’ve got some dirt now where we can say, ooh, did the rapes even happen? You know I think we’re really kind of gearing up to… we’ve been going up the hill of the roller coaster, and I think it’s about to come speeding down very, very quickly. Um. So I’m excited to see how it plays out. SCARLETT: Me too. SANDY: All right. Well we’re gonna take a break and Bailey’s gonna come back with the music segment. We’ll see you soon, Pirates. [Nice chat. Cameron speculates.] [Space Rocks Keep Falling on My Head by Away With the Fairys] [Music Segment!] BAILEY: Bailey here with your Veronica Mars music for the episode President Evil. Um. Sadly, this week we’ve only had one identified song. But it was a good song, so that’s okay. Of the two unidentified songs, the first one plays when Veronica arrives at the Halloween party at the casino, and the second one is when Weevil comes home to his apartment to find Veronica and Backup waiting for him. Which is a little bit scary. I think I’d be scared if Veronica and Backup were waiting in my living room. But that’s beside the point. Um. If you happen to know these songs please feel free to email me and let me know what they are. BAILEY: Uh. The third song is Busted, by Johnny Cash, and it’s a great song. And it’s great to hear Johnny Cash on the show. It’s another one of those things you didn’t think you’d hear on there but are really pleasantly surprised when you do. This song, it begins to play when Veronica gets her necklace back from the little girl, kind of just rips it off her neck, and proceeds to play through this little montage. It was a really good choice of song. I think that the visual really matched the song on this one, and we don’t see a lot of montages on the show, which is nice ‘cause they’re kind of overdone elsewhere. But it really worked this week and the song was just perfect. And that’s it this week. So I will be back with your Veronica Mars music next week. [Another commercial break!] CAMVO: On the next Inside Hollywood. Bad boy Logan Echolls appears on Larry King live to put to rest long standing rumors of his father’s secret love child. For the first time since his father Aaron's death, Logan reveals his feelings about his father, his childhood abuse, and his new big brother. CAMVO: Plus, it looks like Nicole Richie may be the missing link to all those young starlets with sex tape scandals. Despite claims that the still unidentified woman in the latest video is a 7-figure actress and regular tabloid cover girl, our money is on another, less camera shy and more BB-gun friendly member of the Echolls clan. CAMVO: Stay tuned for more details on these stories, plus a special edition of our Missing Celebrity Series, with tonight’s featured star: Lynn Echolls. Is she really dead, or did our eyewitness see her dancing up a storm in Chicago? Find out next on Inside Hollywood. All-access to all the stars. [Last song of the podcast. Aw.] [Breathe by David Gielan] SCARVO: The White Stripes. Joanie and Chachie. Emo kids gone wrong? Who were Logan and Veronica supposed to be this week? Answers on the back of a postcard. But remember what we learned from Wallace: cheaters never prosper. And on that note, here’s Scarlett with your inspirational quote for the week. SCARVO: A costume is not so much a disguise as a way of turning yourself inside out. – Vincent Trey SCARVO: Until next week, Pirates. [CLOSING THEME! Brent Pocker- Neptune’s Water] BAILEY: If you enjoyed the music featured in this week’s podcast, find out more at www.neptunepirateradio.com or email me at bailey[at]neptunepirateradio.com. Additionally, some of the music you heard here tonight was provided by the Podshow Podsafe music network. Check it out at: http://music.podshow.com. [Cameron snatches Bailey’s headphones off.] [END BROADCAST] [END TRANSCRIPT] |