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[Greeting of many greetings.]

[OPENING THEME MUSIC: Vancefurd- Pirate Song]

THEO: Aargh! Welcome back, Veronica Mars fans. This is Neptune Pirate Radio and I am Theo, one of your hosts for today, and with me we have the lovely and talented and clever Sandy.

[SANDY laughter]

SANDY: You give me way to much credit.

THEO: I do. But I like to keep on your good side, so.

SANDY: That’s always wise.

THEO: I think it is. It really is wise to keep on your good side. But anyway. So the two of us will be here talking about this week’s episode.

SANDY: Yes.

THEO: And I must say, finally I really, really liked this episode. The last couple weeks, and I’ve missed you all so very much, but I’m back. And uh, what an episode. I was very uh, very excited about some of the revelations to come out of this week’s episode.

SANDY: Yeah. I thought it was um, it was definitely a really good episode and I’m sure we’ll have plenty to say about it when we get there. But yeah I thought it was really great and really exciting. Like you said, a lot of stuff happened. Um. It seems like we’re sort of- which makes sense because we’re about halfway through the first mystery arc and it seems like-

THEO: Actually we’re more than halfway through.

SANDY: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are.

THEO: About two-thirds of the way.

SANDY: Yeah. We’re, I guess we’re two-thirds through. Um. But yeah. It’s like hitting that point where we’re coming down the downhill stretch, so everything’s gonna get rolling really quickly, which is kind of the thing that’s fun about having the smaller mystery arcs I think, is that you get more of those roller coaster kind of moments. You know?

THEO: Yeah I agree. And all of the revelations come sort of one right after the other in rapid-fire succession. So uh, it’s fun to watch that happen and not have time to sort of sit back and think about it. You can just; I mean you just have to take one after the other.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: But before we talk about the episode let’s talk about the good news that came out this week.

SANDY: Yeah. Um. You know, we’re all sort of sitting on pins and needles waiting for any kind of news of a full season, and while we don’t know about a full season yet we do know that 3 scripts were ordered and 3 directors were hired for those additional scripts, which if those episodes are actually fully ordered and produced, then that would take us through at least the first two mystery arcs, which is really exciting.

THEO: That is excellent.

SANDY: It seems like the CW is holding off a little bit in terms of making final decisions. Um. I know they ordered some extra scripts for OTH as well, so it seems like with both VM and OTH they’re taking it one day at a time, which is very frustrating for us fans. But you know I would rather them not be overly hasty and make a bad decision, you know, so.

THEO: Sure. But this is clearly the first step on the right road to keeping VM around.

SANDY: Right. Right.

THEO: So hopefully they’ll keep going down that road. I guess we’ll just keep sitting on pins and needles for a little while.

SANDY: Fingers crossed.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: But yeah, it’s exciting to think that, you know, at the very least we should hopefully get through at least the first two mystery arcs because I’m just… I’m looking for every silver lining.

THEO: Absolutely.

SANDY: And hopefully the things will change in the New Year. And one of the rumors that’s circulating now is that they might possibly- that FOX is considering moving House off of Tuesdays.

THEO: Oh, that’s excellent.

SANDY: Because, you know, when American Idol comes in uh, it leads into House and House numbers kind of shoot through the roof. But FOX doesn’t have a whole lot else going on in the quote, kids’ department.

THEO: Yeah. That’s pretty much the only… yeah. I agree. I think those are the only two shows that I either watch or hear of a lot of other people watching, so.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: And it’ll be nice because I really like House. And uh, I’m not a one show kind of guy but if I do have to pick it’s obviously VM.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: This way I can have my cake and eat it too.

SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. And FOX can spread out its big nights of television.

THEO: Yes.

SANDY: Let’s hope that they follow through on that because it would be really great for VM.

THEO: Get the juggernaut that is House away from VM so we can pick up a little of their ratings.

SANDY: Exactly. Because, you know, with the return of House the ratings did slip a bit and that’s never good when you don’t have a whole lot of ratings to start with but um, they didn’t dip as much as I was concerned that they would. Both with, you know, first we had Halloween and then we had Election night, and so it’ll be interesting to see how this Tuesday goes. Fingers crossed.

THEO: Yeah. And especially last week. I mean I have to admit that I wasn’t- my TV was on VM but my heart was elsewhere watching all the returns come in. But I did, I tried to sit there and watch it and it’s sort of a good way to calm myself from having- ‘cause I’m a big election junkie. I’ll admit it. I won’t say anything more than that, but um, it was nice to have sort of a break in the excitement of the evening. And since then I’ve watched the episode over and over, and I’ve watched it this morning at least twice, so. Very excited to talk about it.

SANDY: Yeah. Um. It should be good. And can I just say before we even get to the episode how angry I am at the promo from last week about this past week’s episode? How it was like all Veronica and Logan centric about how the relationship isn’t broken, but it’s starting to crack, and it made it look like Logan was like, cheating on Veronica and she was gonna find out.

THEO: That’s right.

SANDY: It had nothing to do with this week’s episode. Nothing!

THEO: Nothing to do with this week’s episode until the last 15 seconds of it.

SANDY: Yeah. And even then, still it was, it was the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen. I mean I was amazed. But… you know.

THEO: Well you know how the promo monkeys work, so.

SANDY: For real! Like, I just I don’t know why they always brand this as like a relationship show, because it’s so not. And then not only are they falsely branding it a relationship show, but then they’re making up stuff that didn’t even happen, so.

[Laughter]

THEO: Yeah. Excellent.

[SANDY stutters a lot.]

THEO: I think we should make up our own promo for next week.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: Next week! Another bus crash upsets the Neptune community. I don’t know.

SANDY: Beaver returns! Dun-dun-dun!

THEO: Beaver returns. We know someone who’ll be very happy about that.

SANDY: Yeah. Really. No joke.

[*coughBaileycough*]

THEO: Um. Anyway. So let’s take a quick break. And then we’ll be back to talk about this week’s episode, Hi, Infidelity.

SANDY: All right. Sounds good.

THEO: Excellent. See you in a minute, Pirates.

[Cameron loves the musical breaks!]

[He’s the one I Should But You’re the one I Want by Blue Number Nine]

SANDY: What up, Pirates? Uh. We’re back and we’re here to talk about this week’s episode, Hi, Infidelity, which I have to say as a big fan- and I like, I know it’s a book; whatever. But I’m a huge John Cusack fan so I love the movie um, High Fidelity, and so I like, you know; I know it’s also reference to the original book, which is also reference to the song, and all that. But for me it’s John Cusack.

[Cameron asserts her OWNERSHIP of all the LOVE of John Cusack. Forever. Don’t Say Anything. She wins.]

THEO: Do you ever do that? Do you ever like, try to find out like a soundtrack or a Top 5 songs for that? Do you ever do that? I end up catching myself doing that so much it’s embarrassing.

SANDY: Counting out Top 5 songs? Yeah. I do that sometimes too.

THEO: Especially ‘cause I’m on the subway with my iPod, and then I look around and you just get sort of a vibe from everyone there and you’re like, okay. You immediately start clicking around your iPod like, what’s the perfect song right now?

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: It’s just embarrassing. It’s very embarrassing.

SANDY: I do, you know, I do silly things with my music all the time and um… you know, especially since I just took like, a road trip because I’m off this week so I came to see my family. And I was in the car for like, 7 hours, so all I do is listen to my iPod and you know, I do really random-

THEO: Road trips are awesome for that.

SANDY: Yeah. You know. You come up with all those little music lists.

THEO: I took a road trip earlier this year and I ended up uh, making different CDs for it. But anyway. That’s our little rant of a tribute to High Fidelity.

SANDY: Yes.

THEO: I guess now our rant of a tribute to Hi, Infidelity should begin.

SANDY: Yeah. Seriously. Okay. Well a lot happened this week. It was- like we said in the intro it was very action-packed. Um.

THEO: Who wouldn’t have- yeah and speaking, we talked before the break about the promo monkeys and their idiocy, but who wouldn’t have hyped the crash, the car crash?

SANDY: For real!

THEO: That sort of opened Keith’s eyes to infidelity, I guess.

SANDY: Yeah. You know, well these are the moments that I love being not spoiled. Um. It’s, you know I had no idea that was coming. It totally caught me off guard. And I actually had no idea- I knew that Laura San Giacomo was coming on to do an episode of VM, because it was really publicized and everybody had heard about it because obviously the Just Shoot Me reunion.

THEO: Right.

SANDY: But I had no idea that she was gonna be in more than one episode. So when I even saw her this week I was shocked. So I had no idea that this whole infidelity plotline with Keith was gonna go to fruition, that he was gonna actually see it through.

THEO: Right.

SANDY: And we kinda talked about that last week, about how, you know, he hesitated um, when he told her about the husband because he really was into her. And I had no idea that she was gonna come back, so that was very, that whole thing was very exciting to me.

THEO: Yeah. It was incredible. And uh, as soon as I saw, you know, the car accident and he steps right out and he seems to be okay, I turned to uh, my friend who I was watching with and I said, he’s gonna go sleep with her. And my friend was like, no way. And I was like, no. Once- a life changing experience like that? He’s just actually made the comparison.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: He doesn’t know whether he’ll regret not doing it or doing it more.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: You come face to face something like that and you’re like; screw it. You know what I mean? Like, you only live once. Keith’s second chance to be bad.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: So.

SANDY: Well you know what I loved about this episode that I think was so… what I just absolutely adored about this episode is we see- we’ve talked um, we’ve talked some with other episodes this season about going back to vintage Veronica. For me, this was the first episode that really, really hit at the noir roots of the show. I mean, everybody- there was so much moral ambiguity.

THEO: Oh yeah.

SANDY: You have Keith who you’ve grown to love, who is supposed to be - in some respects like Wallace – I think Veronica’s moral center. You know, he kind of calls Veronica out on some of the things she does. Um. You know especially like last season with her actions with Duncan. And you know, to see him really take this sort of darker path, I mean he, you know he lov- he really likes this woman as you can kind of understand from that perspective, but at the same time he’s helping somebody commit adultery, which is obviously a bad thing. And I like seeing characters that you like do bad things. And, you know on the flip side of that you had the T.A., Lucky… well, Lucky Tim. Whatever. Um. James Jordan. Whatever. Uh, with the bad wig. You know, you see somebody like him who you’re sort of trained from the cold open in Welcome Wagon to really not like very much, and you see him set Veronica up where he does a bad thing, but he does it for… again, for I guess the right reasons? I don’t really know if he really needed to enlighten Veronica. But in his mind he was doing it for-

THEO: -his own right reasons.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: Um. And to kind of see that things aren’t falling so black and white anymore, which I really like because… you know.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: That’s when the show’s at its best is when it, when it walks that line between good and bad and nobody really falls clearly on either side. I really like that.

THEO: Oh, you know who I’m growing to really hate? The Mason character, Wallace’s sort of competition/friend.

SANDY: Oh yeah.

THEO: He’s like, the little devil sitting on his shoulder constantly.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: Yeah, it’s like oh don’t study, come party. Uh, buy this study guide/cheat sheet.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: I’m really starting to hate him.

SANDY: Yeah and he’s exactly the kind of basketball player that you think takes like, you know, jokingly Introduction to Basket Weaving, like he takes the courses that you can just kind of fly right through. And, you know, as a result he knows Wallace is taking more difficult classes. He knows Wallace is competition so he kind of takes Wallace down this path of failure because it guaranteed his own success.

THEO: You think he’s sabotaging. Do you think he’s really sabotaging him or do you think it’s just…?

SANDY: I don’t know. I don’t know, really. It’s hard to know. I think it’s probably a combination of both. He does want to go out and do these things himself and party and have a good time, and, you know, he wants somebody to do those things with him.

THEO: Sure.

SANDY: But I think he also doesn’t have Wallace’s best interests at heart, which is always…

THEO: Yeah. You can see they’re competitors for I guess a starter position on the team.

SANDY: Yeah. Yeah.

THEO: I was really glad to see Wallace sort of taking accountability for, you know, his academic career and sort of saying, you know, sorry Coach. I gotta fix this ‘cause this is what I want to do in 5 years. You know what I mean?

SANDY: Right.

THEO: This is what I wanna do when I get out of college.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: I think that’s really a responsible thing for him to have done. Because I think the professional- the uh, the whole basketball career it’s, it’s, I mean Wallace is supposed to be excellent so I don’t wanna doubt that he couldn’t amount to more than just, you know, a college player. But it’s so sort of elusive, you know?

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: It’s so tempting and elusive and I think a lot of people don’t really… A lot of people don’t plan on doing anything else and then they sort of have to face the harsh reality of what happens after college when you’ve taken Basket Weaving 101 and you know. It was nice to watch you play basketball for four years but now you have to get a job.

SANDY: Yeah. Right.

THEO: And Wallace has really confronted that, and in a big way. Hopefully he’ll pull it off.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: I mean, I don’t wanna say he’s gonna pull up his grades because we know nothing ever makes you happy in Neptune. But uh, we’ll see if he can do it. I have faith in him.

SANDY: Yeah. It’ll still be interesting to see how that journey goes. And again, like we said with last week- it started and this week I think we saw somewhat of a conclusion of it- again a character that has been traditionally a moral center for Veronica doing bad things. And I always, I just like that. I like it when the show isn’t afraid to go there and I feel like it started off this season being a little uh, apprehensive of making the good characters do bad things too often.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: Especially because they’re trying to pander to a wider audience. And I’m glad that now, six episodes in, they’re really saying okay, well let’s get back to what this show is all about. Because when the show goes back to what it’s all about, that’s when it really sings, you know?

THEO: Yeah. Well I have to say my favorite, my absolute favorite scene from this week was almost the very first one, with Dean O’Dell.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: With Syrus O’Dell firing Nish and just expelling Claire, and I just thought he is my new favorite character. I have to admit.

SANDY: He’s good. He’s really good.

THEO: Yeah. For weeks and weeks I’ve just been so frustrated with the sort of, the editor. Ever since she published the story, and we talked about it. I think it was the second episode.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: I’ve just, I’ve had her in my crosshairs. And I think it was completely irresponsible for her to act like that. And I was just so glad. I have a devious… I’m trying to remember exactly what he said. I’m a devious old man?

SANDY: Yeah. You’d be surprised what I could do.

THEO: I loved that.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: I just thought that was…

SANDY: It was very Van Clemmons-esque, you know, which is always fun ‘cause I always loved Principal Clemmons. I liked-

[They talk over each other. Continue.]

THEO: He seems to have really embraced Veronica; especially in the very end where he’s like, why don’t you come sit with me?

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: I love his confession that he really hates college students because I have the feeling that a lot of people in colleges hate college students.

SANDY: Yeah. Well why wouldn’t you? I mean they’re whiny, right?

[Cameron could tell so many stories, but then this transcript would never end.]

THEO: Exactly. And they’re training them how to be whinier.

SANDY: Exactly. You know I love though with the, like you said, that they sort of took um, something that we saw much earlier on in the second episode with Nish’s inability to separate her own feelings from what she is, you know, journalists ethically are compelled to do.

THEO: Exactly.

SANDY: And you know, she talked about her responsibility to the story um, and getting all the facts in this instance. But clearly we saw that she was irresponsible with publishing the story on.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: And I also liked that, you know, I thought Veronica seemed more humble in a lot of ways in this episode. She didn’t seem to take- I think a problem that has really existed in the early episodes this season is that Veronica has seemed to take a lot of pleasure in uh, the things that she was doing. You know. She smacks somebody down. Even if they weren’t particularly a bad person she took maybe a little too much pleasure in it, whereas this time I thought it was good to see that she really- it pained her to do what she was doing because she knew in her head that in some ways it undermines the stories given by the girls who, I think, we all can probably say genuinely were raped. But at the same time, there was no way she could let this accusation stand. You know? You can’t let somebody falsely accuse anybody of rape, you know. Or state falsely that they were raped.

THEO: Yeah. And it’s really irresponsible of them because they’re blaming her for it, you know, sort of undercutting everyone’s story. All the legitimate rape victims. And they’re the ones that organized it, or orchestrated it.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: You know? I mean especially the newspaper editor. And she says something like it’s a tinderbox out there? Or a powder keg?

SANDY: Powder keg.

THEO: And I’m like, well you’re the one dumping the powder in with all these incendiary articles.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: I just- I was really frustrated. I’ve been frustrated with her character and sort of the behavior of the paper, you know, and some of the groups on campus. It’s been really frustrating for a while and I’m glad to see it finally play out. So.

SANDY: Yeah. And you can understand to some extent how these women are very frustrated if they feel like the administration isn’t taking the rapes seriously, and as a result they sort of thought desperate times call for desperate measures. But at the same time by having somebody who has false information about the circumstances surrounding the rape, it hinders the investigation because they’re gonna be relying on the information that she provides to create their entire profile of this perpetrator, and if that information is faulty then it mucks up the profile in general.

THEO: That’s right. That’s absolutely the truth. I agree completely.

SANDY: And speaking of law enforcement. Sheriff Lamb and Veronica, you know.

THEO: They seem to be the hottest couple lately.

[Laughter]

[Cameron is appalled by her laughter.]

SANDY: You know there was- there were some ideas early on about um, you know that I saw online through message boards and LiveJournal and all that kind of stuff that I tend to follow um, where like Lamb is sort of the new Logan in terms of an adversary for Veronica. But it seems like, you know, they’re starting to work together a little bit, which is a little weird.

THEO: They really are. And he sort of, you know at the very end of that scene like, he made all those jokes, but then he sat down, shut up, and listened.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: And he eventually acted on it. And not in an asshole way, which he usually does, you know. Usually he would hear her out and then arrest her friends or something like that but it seems like those two kind of have formed some sort of a working relationship.

SANDY: Yeah. I mean he was sharing information. Yeah.

THEO: Yeah. She even decided hey, you know what? I’m going to the Sheriff with this.

SANDY: Yeah. Well just the, and the idea that he provided information back I think was what was so mind-blowing to me, because we’ve seen her go to him with information multiple times but we’ve never seen him really reciprocate and all of a sudden he’s trading information with her and… I mean my mind was blown.

THEO: Yeah. Acting on her tips. It’s crazy. I know! Our world is upside down.

SANDY: Yeah. Um. Well let’s talk- before we get to far into Mercer, let’s talk a little bit about the great bowling date from this week.

THEO: Helped Richard Nixon.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: I loved that. That was one of my favorite lines. It was cute. It was sort of uh, I don’t know, almost Shakespearean in the way that sort of all the couples are upset and everything turned out the wrong way with people having crushes on the people they weren’t supposed to and then those not being reciprocated.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: It’s very much a mess.

SANDY: Well you know I kinda liked the mutual jealousy that was going on between Logan and Veronica this week where, you know, she got a little jealous of him in a teasing kind of way, and he got a little jealous about her in kind of a teasing way. But he wasn’t overtly rude or cruel to Piz, which I thought was strange, actually. You know and it seemed like he was really trying to be- I felt like in that scene, you know he kind of, I don’t wanna say he marked his territory but he kind of marked his territory with Veronica in Piz’s eyes. But at the same time he wasn’t cruel. He wasn’t cutting Piz down.

THEO: Yeah. Without being the sort of typical asshole Logan that we’ve seen in the past seasons.

SANDY: Yeah. And I think in some ways that is a mark of, of their relationship being strong, if anything. Just because it seemed like it was important to him- he recognized that it was important to her that he get along with her friends from school, and so he didn’t go out of his way to be a jerk to Piz. He let Piz and Veronica be on a team together while he was on a team with Parker. I mean I thought that was pretty mature of Logan.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: When this guy is clearly all about his girlfriend, which would make a lot of guys pretty upset. You know? I mean Piz essentially asked her out on a date and then tried to throw Wallace into the mix at the last second to diffuse the situation. Very interesting.

THEO: Very interesting. Well. I think that about wraps up everything that I can think of about the episode this week.

SANDY: Yeah. Uh, we’re gonna come back and-

THEO: Except that I have to uh, the saying about martinis? Do you remember this?

SANDY: Yeah. [Many yeahs.]

THEO: It’s uh, one is not enough and three is too many.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: Yeah. That’s a saying. It took me a while to figure that out but uh… I admit I did Google that one. So.

SANDY: I never actually heard that before the show either, but apparently it is true.

THEO: Yes. Martinis are like breasts. One is not enough and three is too many. So.

[Cameron is not sure everyone agrees with that. Awkward silence.]

SANDY: And four is double the fun. I don’t know.

[Cameron is impressed with Sandy’s ability to make a bad joke worse. Heh.]

SANDY: I shouldn’t have said that. Um. I don’t know why I’m just spewing things. I’m very tired, Pirates. Um. All right. We’re gonna come back and talk about um, we’re gonna do like a little… it’s the return of Theo Investigates. So we’re gonna come back and talk about the rapes and what we think about that. Dun-dun-dun!

THEO: The first one of the new season. Dun-dun-dun!

SANDY: All right. We’ll be back, Pirates!

[A break!]

[Ah, the old fake break. Cameron is thwarted by her herself!]

THEO: Aargh! Welcome back, Pirates, and this is the first installation of Theo Investigates for the new season, and I’m very happy to be back. And I kind of wanted to wait until we’d seen enough of the mystery and enough of the suspects uh, to really make any sort of guesses. But I think since we’re only three episodes away from the end of the mystery… am I correct there?

SANDY: Yup.

THEO: Since we’re only three episodes away I think it’s time to go ahead and make some guesses because I’m pretty sure we’ve met the uh, the villain at this point. I don’t think that- I don’t think they’d pull sort of a killer ex machina, you know, in the very last episode.

SANDY: Yeah. That would be pretty lame.

THEO: That would be pretty lame. I’d be pretty disappointed. And uh, I’d say bad things.

SANDY: Yes. It would be very out of character for VM.

THEO: Yes. If the hosts of one of the uh, the biggest fan podcasts is saying bad things about the show, you can imagine what the people who aren’t so uh, devoted would be saying.

SANDY: Exactly.

THEO: Anyway. Anyway. So let’s talk about the potential suspects for the crime. I think you have- I’m just gonna go with males right now, because it’s pretty, I think it’s pretty safe to say that a male is responsible for this.

SANDY: Yeah. I mean they could go the Nip/Tuck route with the female but I don’t think… I can’t imagine that the CW would greenlight a mystery arc that required intimate descriptions of like… the means of which females would go about raping other females. I just can’t picture that on the CW.

THEO: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I can imagine the 14-year olds that they’re trying to court to the show going up to their parents and being like, Mom, how does this…?

[Laughter]

SANDY: Yeah. How does that work? Ah, it’s not gonna happen.

THEO: So let’s just cut off that route right now. And uh, let’s just go episode to episode with people that we’ve met.

SANDY: Well let’s just list; I think we could probably like, just list a list of male suspects.

THEO: I think that’s a very good idea.

SANDY: Really quickly.

THEO: I think we should start with uh, Tim the T.A. Or Lucky.

SANDY: Tim the T.A. is one.

THEO: Yeah. Especially after this week we see he’s got a little serial killer montage, you know. What do they call those? The uh, sort of the wall of creepy news clippings?

SANDY: Yeah.

[Laughter]

THEO: Which is found in every single serial killer movie ever.

SANDY: Yes.

THEO: So. But it’s also interesting to see him investigating.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: And I think- I really wanted to discount him because I think he’s more truly an investigator than a rapist. I mean it’s completely possible because if you are in charge of the investigation it’s very easy to sort of hide your involvement with that sort of thing.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: But I just don’t think he did it. It’s not one of my top picks, I would say.

SANDY: Yeah I don’t think- I don’t think he did it either. I think Lucky Tim is probably off the hook.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: I think, you know, having been a child molestation victim last season and then having him be a rapist this season would be a little bit of déjà vu. Even though it’s not technically the same character, come on, Rob.

THEO: It’s just a bad wig.

SANDY: Yeah. It’s not; no. We’d be like; oh it’s Beaver all over again. Yeah.

THEO: If anything I can see him and Veronica sort of teaming up to sort of use their super detective powers combined, and to hunt down the real evil doer in the situation.

SANDY: Yeah. Plus he keeps his creepy serial killer wall in his office, not in a basement, which is where those things typically are found when they’re the, you know, last moment before the big finale.

THEO: TT. You could take the Dexter out and sort of use your um, connection with the cases and the crimes to further your own evil means. But anyway. Next. Next case. We’ve gotta see that play out a little more.

SANDY: Um. What about Chip? Chip the frat guy, um, who last season- I have to say, we didn’t mention this but I think it’s kinda cool- last season we heard that he scored 300 points for sleeping with the Dean’s wife, and now we know that Mrs. O’Dell likes to get a little action on the side ‘cause she’s, you know-

THEO: Quite a lot.

SANDY: -hanging out with Professor Landry. So apparently she likes professors and students. So do we think Chip’s the rapist? My guess is no.

THEO: Um. My guess is no because that’s uh, I don’t know. It just seems to me that they haven’t really brought his character back that much.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: And we’ve only seen him in those two episodes. Um. I mean hey, it could happen. I’m not saying that I’d count that out. But it just seems that uh… he was already, the spotlight was on that house. And Veronica’s sort of taken it away already.

SANDY: Yeah. Yeah I think um, I think it would be a little… it would be a little backtracking. Like you said, it’s not so much the number of appearances that we’ve seen Chip so much as it is the lack of anything connecting him to the rapes, really. I mean there have been connections between the frat house and the rapes, but there’s not been anything that connects him personally, anything that we know about his personality I guess. Um.

THEO: TT.

SANDY: Because for me it’s more about personality connection than it’s proximity connection ‘cause we always kind of find out how they did it at the very end. But.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: All right. Well what about Dick Casablancas?

THEO: Mm. That’s a good point.

SANDY: Do we think, does rape run in families?

THEO: Does rape run in families? [Sarcastic tone] Ouch. Yeah. The rapist gene backfiring on him.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: Um. I don’t know. It seems to me they’ve already filled that family with killers and extortionists, and I just don’t know. I think that would be really tired.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: Plus he’s sort of on the road to recovering and sort of being more accepted. And perhaps that was his past, you know, that he did that in his past and he’s just sort of running away from that now, which would make for a very sad, you know, having both Casablancas brothers the perpetrators of massive crimes around Neptune. But uh. I don’t want it to happen because I like him too much.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: So I’m gonna take the Bailey um, defense on this, and say it’s not gonna happen because I like him.

[Laughter]

[CAMERON: That worked out well last time.]

THEO: And after it does happen I’m still gonna stick with that. But uh. I don’t think it’ll be Dick. I think another interesting suspect that we’ve seen this week is maybe the professor. I think his name is Professor Landry?

SANDY: Yes.

THEO: We just revealed him to be sort of a baddie, I guess. And the uh, sleeping around and being all sorts of lascivious on campus, so.

SANDY: You know I always thought, you know I was all about the professor when we first met him, and I was like, oh it’s gonna be the professor. But I have a couple reasons why I don’t think it’s gonna be the professor.

THEO: Okay.

SANDY: The first is that for the last two seasons the big sort of um, older guy star from other stuff that shows up on VM is a bad guy thing. I feel like that’s played out and Rob probably isn’t doing that with Patrick Fabian. Like, I don’t think that he brought him, you know, back from Saved By the Bell and Joan of Arcadia obscurity to uh, you know… be the bad guy in this season ‘cause he’s already sort of done that.

THEO: Right. Right. He was a really, really bad guy in Joan of Arcadia, so.

SANDY: Yeah. And you know he was already sleeping with a student on Saved By the Bell. So… not like they did those sorts of things on Saved By the Bell, but let’s be honest. Um. Okay. But the reason I don’t think it’s him either is because of what we found out this week. Like, I was waiting for that sort of big moment where Veronica finds out that he’s not the guy that she thought he was, and it seems like that’s already happened. Like I thought that was what was gonna come with the rape reveal. But it seems like that sort of already happened so I can’t…

THEO: TT. Right.

SANDY: It’s possible that they would try and knock him down further but I don’t think that that’s where they’re gonna go.

THEO: Yeah. Well they’re- I can think of three other people and since I agree with you that they’re probably tired of having the big adult character like, be the perpetrator or some sort of evil doer, I think that we can get rid of the Dean O’Dell theory behind this.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: But I’m so worried it’s gonna be him because I like him so much.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: And I always end up liking the people that in the end are responsible for it.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: So. You know. I’m trying to dismiss him completely but there’s still sort of a lingering thread of suspicion that’s hovering around Dean O’Dell. Because he’s obviously very frustrated with a wife that’s slept with a lot of people, you know.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: And he’s also one of those characters that pops up all the time, and in a very likeable way. So.

SANDY: Right. Well again-

THEO: I don’t want it to be him because I like Ed Begley Jr. so very much, but…

SANDY: Yeah. Well again like we said, he would be even closer to the Steve Guttenberg um, Harry Hamlin, bring the 80s star into… no. No. I just don’t see it.

THEO: Yeah. Let’s just dismiss that. Let’s just write that off.

SANDY: Yeah. My other reason for thinking that it can’t be him is that he seems like somebody who wants to do as little dealing with students as possible.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: Like, he doesn’t want to make more work for himself, and he would have to know by being the serial rapist on his own campus, it would be nothing but creating more work for himself uh, during the office times.

THEO: That’s true. But on the other side of that, playing the devil’s advocate for a second, he is the one sort of dismissing all the, you know, all the investigations. When the newspaper editor tries to push him to do something he’s the one that gets rid of her and so there’s an argument that it could be him trying, you know, using his power to sort of end the investigation, which throws suspicion on him. But I’m with you on this one. I’m just throwing that out because it’s a possibility. But um.

SANDY: All right.

THEO: What do I know?

SANDY: Well here’s one for you that I read. Um. This is not my original theory but I think that it’s interesting.

THEO: I have to say I haven’t read any theories online. I’ve been very good about trying to avoid spoilers so I try to avoid all the message boards, so. All these ideas I may have stolen from other people, but they’re of independent creation here.

SANDY: Well we get a lot of emails, you know, of theories. And one of the things that I do try to do- I completely avoid spoilers but I do um, I know enough about how to navigate on the Internet to know where I can find theories that aren’t gonna be spoilers.

THEO: Spoiler free.

SANDY: But here’s one that I think is kind of interesting. Piz.

THEO: No! Not possible.

SANDY: It could be possible.

THEO: He was far away last year when they started. Far, far away.

SANDY: How do you know? It was a prospective weekend. But it was a prospective students’ weekend when the first one hit, which-

THEO: Didn’t one happen before it?

SANDY: No, no, no. That was the-

THEO: No, no, no, no. I think one happened once before.

SANDY: Oh it did happen once before. You’re right.

THEO: It did happen once before.

SANDY: Busted.

THEO: So uh, don’t mess with Piz. Let’s not be- but okay. Speaking of students. Here are two other students. What about Mercer?

SANDY: Yeah I think Mercer’s been targeted too early. I don’t think it can be Mercer.

[Cameron realizes that there has been some sort of major editing glitch at the 36-minute mark. What follows is partially what the hosts said, and the rest is made up from Cameron’s ability to predict everything they say. Sorry, readers.]

THEO: I agree. I think it’s true. Mystery Novels is an Agatha Christie book where the murder, the true, you know, the crime solver should swoop in and exonerate them; that’s how it plays. That’s how they trick you into uh, you know, [Garbled]… But so I mean I wouldn’t really completely discount that. I would be more inclined to thinking it was really the switch, like I talked about. If he and Veronica are sort of working… [Garbled]

SANDY: I like Mercer. Um. He hosts the poker game, he’s cute, and he’s friends with Logan.

THEO: TT. And but I mean really, is he the one that’s not the psycho? I actually have one more name but I wanna get back to the Mercer and Logan thing because that was sort of the big reveal at the end of the episode projected onto it. What about um, Wallace’s friend? I think it’s Mason? He loves the ladies. He’s on the basketball team so he probably goes to a lot of the parties. Clearly, a bad seed if ever there was one.

SANDY: Yeah. He’s not a very good guy, he would open the door open for Wallace of…

THEO: It sort of connects the Wallace storyline with the Veronica storyline, is my personal opinion. That’s what I’m throwing out. But uh, we’d love to hear anyone. Email me and I’d love to hear what anyone thinks out there. Next week I’ll be back and I will be reading them on the air and giving you all the credit.

THEO: So at the end of the episode we find out that Logan has an alibi for Mercer.

SANDY: Yeah. You gotta wonder what they were doing.

THEO: What a cop out. This will not stand. This will not stand with Veronica.

SANDY: It’ll be interesting to see. And I don’t think Logan was cheating. It would be totally out of character.

THEO: I’ve never- I don’t know her personally, obviously, no one’s ever… but you can’t think if you tell her something like that she’s gonna drop everything.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: You can’t imagine she’s gonna walk away at the end of the day not knowing exactly what he was up to. It’s best for Logan to just ‘fess up, tell her what happened and give her a chance to find an alibi for him.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: It’s just not good for either of them.

SANDY: Yeah. It’s probably not going to be a good thing. Yeah. And it’s probably not a bad thing for him to find out what he’s up to. He’s not cheating.

THEO: We don’t know. Let’s hope not.

SANDY: Yes we do. Well we’re gonna take our last break and let everybody get back to you with their theories about what Logan was up to. At least we’ll be one step closer to figuring out who the rapist is. We’ll see you soon, Pirates!

[Cameron is displeased with the three minutes of hell she just went through. Aargh!]

[Against the Grain by The Aphrodisiacs]

SANDY: All right, Pirates. That’s it. That’s another podcast. We certainly hope you enjoyed it.

THEO: And this is Theo with this week’s inspirational message.

THEO: I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam. I looked into the soul of the boy sitting next to me. –Woody Allen

THEO: See you next week, Pirates.

[CLOSING THEME! Brent Pocker- Neptune’s Water]

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