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[Greeting of many greetings.]

[OPENING THEME MUSIC: Vancefurd- Pirate Song]

SANDY: What is up, Pirates? This is Sandy and I’m back with yet another podcast. And with me, brace yourselves- I have Theo and Scarlett. What’s up, guys?

SCARLETT: Woohoo!

THEO: Hello.

SCARLETT: Hello.

THEO: Hey, Scarlett. What’s going on?

SCARLETT: I’m good, Theo. How are you?

THEO: I am excellent. It’s good to see you two back together. The old gang back together again.

SANDY: I know, right? It’s totally weird. I feel like I haven’t talked to both of you in ages.

THEO: I know. At least not together.

SANDY: Yes. I may have talked to each of you separately but the three of us, we have a special bond and it’s good that we’re all back.

THEO: Our triplet powers activate.

SCARLETT: Especially for the last episode of the mystery.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: I know. And what an episode it was.

SANDY: Yeah and we’re gonna definitely-

SCARLETT: It’s all because we’ve been reunited. They’ve realized how awesome we are.

THEO: TT. TT.

SCARLETT: And our powers brought this episode forth.

[Giggles]

SANDY: Rob was sitting in his trailer and he’s directing the episode and he thinks: you know, those podcast kids haven’t been together in a while. I’m gonna make this really special just for them. I think that’s exactly what went through his head.

THEO: I think he sat back and he was like, what can I do for them?

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: That’s right.

SANDY: Yeah.

SCARLETT: That’s what he devotes his life to. He did enough for me this week. I loved the episode. And I’ve been kind of apathetic the last couple of episodes, but no. This one I loved. It was really so much that’s going on.

SANDY: Yeah. It was pretty amped up.

SCARLETT: -Relationship-wise, which is always my favorite part! Hurrah!

SANDY: I know! I needed you backing me up last week!

THEO: And the twist, which is my favorite part. I think we were all happy with that.

SCARLETT: But you’re our little investigator, Theo. We’ll leave that to you.

THEO: TT. So. TT.

SCARLETT: I’m no detective.

SANDY: Well before we get into the discussion of this individual week’s episode, um, I wanna explain to our listeners a little bit about what we’re gonna do this week I think just to break it down. Because like you said, Scarlett, so much happened this week. We’re gonna have an episode discussion where we talk about the things uh, just all around that happened in this week’s episode, and then we’re gonna have a Theo Investigates segment where we really kind of break down and dissect the whole Hearst rapist reveal and the season in general. So.

THEO: And I eat a lot of crow.

SANDY: Yeah. ‘Cause Theo is clearly a very poor investigator. Um. But just- I just wanted to give sort of that headline so that if you were listening to the episode discussion and you were like, why aren’t they talking about this about the rape or that about the rape? We will. We just wanted to devote an entire segment to just that. Um. The other thing I wanna talk about is the ratings for this week’s episode.

THEO: Oh yeah.

SCARLETT: Ooh.

SANDY: Holy cow, right?

THEO: Hallelujah, I think is the word. It’s like a Christmas miracle.

SCARLETT: Were they not like the second best we’ve ever had in the series?

THEO: Yes.

SCARLETT: Someone told me that they were the second best in the whole three seasons.

SANDY: Yeah. In total household viewers we had 3.44 million viewers, which is the second highest total viewers that the show has gotten with the exception of One Angry Veronica, which was the last episode before the hiatus last year. And I think we can almost all agree that for 3.5 million viewers to see this week’s episode was a lot better than 3.5 million viewers seeing One Angry Veronica.

THEO: Yeah. Yeah and not only that, but the 3.5 million viewers that saw this episode are completely comfortable and even hooked into watching the next one when it comes back in January. I mean they’re completely caught up. They’ve seen a great cliffhanger for the beginning of the next section of the season- I don’t wanna say season but I think so – I think we’re gonna get even more sort of repeat watchers, so.

SANDY: Yeah that’s actually a really good point that, you know, if this was the first episode you saw of VM, you wouldn’t feel like you couldn’t come in for the next episode because you saw the start of the new mystery.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: You know? As opposed to coming in the middle of the mystery.

THEO: And even more than that, you know, if people are just starting now they’ve been hearing all these great things ‘cause obviously they’re watching it. So you know they’re wondering what it’s about, what’s gonna happen, can we follow this? You know, especially in the middle of a season. And to sit down and watch that episode? It’s perfect. You have- it’s a perfect jumping in point. You meet this incredibly, you know, this brave girl that solves these crimes and then in the very end, bam. You get to see this character get killed. And like, you’ve gotta watch again. You have to watch again.

SANDY: Yeah. Well and you know I think one of the cool things about the ratings for this episode is in addition to hitting the second highest numbers in total viewers that Scarlett mentioned, we also set record highs in the demographics. And it was by far the best Tuesday of the network’s and I think everybody was really excited. We found out through our resources that Dawn Ostroff called Rob Thomas to say congratulations on the viewers. Les Moonves called Dawn Ostroff to say hey, look at all those people calling in for- or tuning in for VM. What’s up? And hopefully everybody realized that the promotion that the episode got and the great previews that were shown all week, which were considerably more than any of the promotion the show has gotten earlier in the season really helps.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: Put a good promo out there. People will tune in.

SCARLETT: It makes me feel better about the season not being picked up for a full 22.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: Because you feel like it’s fine because you know they’re still coming out with quality episodes in the little arcs. I was a bit shady about the arcs, but no, I’m sold on them now.

THEO: Yeah. That’s another thing. I really have to say I didn’t anticipate on enjoying the arcs so much. ‘Cause I really liked the whole idea of a season long mystery where you can really stew and like, you can just really pick over all the clues. But this, this arc made- it reminded me of the first season. Like I mentioned on the last week’s podcast, you know? The clues were there. You just didn’t, you know, you didn’t want to see them. And like, this just hits you in the face and it’s such a great way to reveal this.

SCARLETT: Well it just seemed too obvious to see this guy with like, you know, with all these obvious clues pointing towards him. It seemed too obvious, you know?

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: You just didn’t wanna think about it. It was so clever.

THEO: Oh yeah. It was. It was very clever.

SCARLETT: Yeah.

SANDY: It was sort of a different mold. We’ll talk obviously more about this during Theo Investigates, but what I think was so great about it was that it was sort of a different structure um, to have Veronica identify the killer and dismiss him early on.

THEO: Mhm.

SANDY: She hasn’t done that before. Last season and in the first season; the first time she ever considered Cassidy last season and Aaron Echolls the first season as suspects was the time when they were revealed to be the actual culprit. And this time I think was kinda nice that she was actually wrong. She cleared somebody. She had him in prison and got him out. You know?

THEO: Yeah. Yeah. On the behalf of… who was it again? Um. Oh that’s right, Logan.

SCARLETT: Mm.

SANDY: Grr. All right. Well we’re gonna- now that we’re kind of getting into the episode maybe we should go ahead and take a break and come back to the episode.

THEO: I think that sounds like a good idea.

SANDY: Oh! But before I do I wanna let all of our listeners know that we really want to try and get as many of you involved um, with the podcast. We wanna have more and more listener interaction and one way we’re gonna do that is we have our new final phone number that you can call in. And please call in and leave us voice messages. The number for that is um, 408-914-AHOY. We will have that on our website and please call and leave us a voicemail, or if one of happens to be on we will chat with you. And let us know what you think. All right. On that note, we’re gonna take a break. We’ll come back and talk about this week’s episode, Spit and Eggs.

[Spooky and thematic musical break. Trivia of the transcript: Theo and Bailey spent many nights picking out the special songs for this episode. Behind Cameron’s back.]

[Haunted by Aubergine]

MCVO: Attention listeners of Neptune Pirate Radio. A crisis is upon us and we need everyone’s help in righting this wrong. A college student by the name of Stosh Piznarski of Hearst College is apparently stealing the loyal listeners of Neptune Pirate Radio and is forcing them to listen to his show. Now I’m sure it’s a good show with morals and guests and cast members and music and values and all that stuff, but the boy is stealing our listeners. If you or anyone you know has been converted to his show, please let us and the proper authorities know, because this is wrong. Viva La Neptune Pirate Radio! That is all.

[VIVA!]

SCARLETT: Hey there, Pirates. We’re back with our episode discussion, and we have so much to talk about that I think we should dive straight in.

SANDY: Yeah, I agree.

SCARLETT: What did you guys think? Sandy, Theo? Thoughts?

SANDY: I loved it. I thought it was awesome. Um. There were so many like, little things that I thought hearkened back to earlier episodes, which I thought was really neat. And they weren’t- it wasn’t done in an overly uh, shout-out kinda way. They were just subtle. Like Veronica’s breaking down in the shower after she breaks up with Logan. Very reminiscent.

SCARLETT: And she cuts her hair. Right afterwards.

SANDY: Yeah. She gets a new hairstyle.

SCARLETT: It looks like she gets bangs.

SANDY: I didn’t care for the bangs. Not gonna lie.

THEO: I liked the hair. I like the new hair.

SCARLETT: No. But I like the callback to her cutting her hair.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: It made me feel season one and special. I liked it. It’s like it was just a little shout-out for those of us that used to watch.

SANDY: Yeah.

THEO: Oh, if only if there were a blue flashback involved.

SCARLETT: And still watch.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: And the whole comment to Parker about um, needing a project. I need a project. You know. That’s almost word for word for a line that she’s used before, you know, in terms of relationship turmoil. So I think, you know I like those little kinda… I think those are the things that demonstrate that this episode is clearly written by Rob Thomas. You know and he wants to insert those little character things into the episode, which I liked.

THEO: Speaking of relationship turmoil, it was kind of sucky to see that breakup scene come at the very beginning of the episode. I felt bad for-

SCARLETT: No, it was amazing.

THEO: I felt bad for all you LoVers out there.

SCARLETT: No. I think that that was a great scene. Obviously I love my Logan and Veronica together, but not when they’re gonna be all miserable and angsty.

THEO: Right.

SCARLETT: I think that their scenes that we got after that, especially her crying in the shower, which is the first time I’ve believed her when she said she loved him. You know. I didn’t really before but she was all out sobbing and I actually felt for Veronica. I haven’t you know, felt bad for her in a long time. And I did this episode. So I think it was good. You know, they broke up over real reasons rather than stupid triangles or something.

THEO: Right.

SANDY: Yeah. It wasn’t about some other person. And you know what I thought was really interesting about that is a lot of people complained last season that they got together too quickly, and I think, you know, obviously part of that was the result of not knowing if the show was going to end and wanting to have some sort of resolution. But I’m glad that they, rather than ignoring the fact that they got together so quickly out of a life or death situation, they very much used that to create genuine problems in the relationship. Where you have two people who clearly love one another passionately and they got together out of this life or death situation without ever addressing the problems that caused them to break up the first time. And those problems didn’t go away and just continued to sort of fester there. I think that if they were ever to get together in the future again, which you know, my little shipper heart is hoping for, it has to come after working through the issues that they have, not trying to work through those issues while also sleeping together.

THEO: Right. Right.

SANDY: You know what I mean?

SCARLETT: Yeah.

SANDY: The problems stemmed from them rushing into the relationship and I’m glad that they used what was essentially kind of a required plot device and actually made it work within the context of the story. I liked it. Even though it broke my heart and I’ve been in mourning all week about the death of LoVe.

SCARLETT: But the scenes that we got from them afterwards were amazing. I often think that when they’re not together we get some of the best scenes.

THEO: Oh yeah.

SCARLETT: Like at the party and then Logan going to beat up the cop car so he can get into jail for Mercer. You know, they’re just these little moments and they kind of call back to each other and… like Veronica actually went up to Logan at the party, you know?

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: That’s not normal.

THEO: Yeah. Not only that, but they’re much better at being star-crossed. Don’t you think?

SCARLETT: Yeah.

THEO: I mean no one would know who Romeo and Juliet were today if it weren’t for that. And you know, they just work better apart. They just work better pining for each other, sort of being suspicious, and trying to be happy together just…

SCARLETT: We just like when they’re miserable.

THEO: Yeah, we do. Honestly, we love when they’re miserable.

SANDY: But we don’t like when they’re miserable and they’re supposed to be happy. If that makes sense.

SCARLETT: Yeah.

SANDY: I think seeing the intensity of the way that they stared at each other in that scene at the party when she goes up to say hello to him, and they don’t- there are no words exchanged there. They just kinda stare at each other for a moment. And you- that’s I think what, you know, kind of what you were saying Scarlett before is, you know, she can say, yeah. I do love you. And it doesn’t mean or resonate nearly as much as when you see the fact that they love each other in a scene where they don’t necessarily say it.

SCARLETT: Although she’s never actually said the words. Ever.

SANDY: No she hasn’t. To anybody.

SCARLETT: She’s implied the positive. I think she’s maybe said it to Keith. Possibly? Or implied it. But she’s never said I love you to anyone on the show.

[CAMERON: Only Keith. Yes.]

SANDY: Yeah.

SCARLETT: Oh, that’s so sad. Poor little Veronica can’t love.

THEO: Well I don’t think it’s- I don’t think they’re over by a long shot.

[CAMERON: One can only hope and dream.]

SCARLETT: No. Oh, you know who I do want to get together now though? Guys. Mac and Piz!

THEO: Oh yeah.

SANDY: Aw.

SCARLETT: How cute would they be?

THEO: That would be really cute.

SANDY: She needs a good boy.

THEO: I agree. I thought it was gonna be Mac and-

SCARLETT: Me too! And he’s so nice.

THEO: I thought it was gonna be Mac and Wallace for a little while. But um.

SANDY: No.

SCARLETT: No. I think Mac and Piz would work. They’re both kinda geeky.

SANDY: Yeah.

SCARLETT: They would be great together.

SANDY: Okay. Am I the only one who that it was a little creepy that she was wearing a shirt that said, Ask Me About My STD? -

THEO: No. I thought that was hilarious.

SANDY: -considering that her boyfriend spread Chlamydia all over the town of Neptune?

THEO: I love that. I thought that was the funniest shirt I’ve seen on the show so far to date. It was amazing.

SANDY: I mean I thought it was a hilarious shirt, but I kept thinking, ooh, Chlamydia, the whole time that I was staring at it.

THEO: Well maybe I didn’t quite go that far to associate it with past episodes but uh… I can see where you’re coming from now.

SANDY: Yeah.

SCARLETT: I think she’s been buying her shirts from the same place as Dick.

[Laughter]

THEO: That’d be funny to see them run into each other on a shopping trip, don’t you think?

SANDY: Yeah. Not at all awkward.

THEO: No. Not at all.

SCARLETT: I have to get my witty T-shirt. Out of the way.

SANDY: Can we talk about Parker for a second?

THEO: Yes.

SANDY: I-

SCARLETT: No.

[Laughter]

SCARLETT: Sorry! Yes. We can.

SANDY: Cute.

SCARLETT: You’re just so polite there.

SANDY: No. I just have to say that I- you know there’s been a lot of complaints about how feminism has been portrayed on the show all season, especially with regard to the Lillith House. I think that what I really loved about this episode is sort of the resolution of the Parker arc. She kind of went from being this very oblivious, super-friendly, super-naïve girl to a radical, Lilith House-esque, pitchfork-carrying, you know, fundamentalist, and now she’s really come back to this, what I think is a really healthy place, where she’s taking activism to a responsible level.

THEO: Sure.

SANDY: She’s being proactive, trying to actually help individual people as opposed to pointing fingers, and in the end it’s that responsible type of feminism that wins the day and saves Veronica.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: And I just thought that was fantastic.

THEO: I just loved her. She’s, you know I really don’t even recognize- honestly, and this is very telling, but when I’ve seen her in the past few episodes I haven’t recognized her because it seems like she’s done a complete turnaround from the way she acted in the first, in the beginning of the season.

SCARLETT: Yeah.

SANDY: But it was in a very genuine way.

THEO: No, it was. It seems to be-

SCARLETT: I like when we have character arcs like that.

THEO: I do too. And I think it seemed to be a very um, normal way that she’s matured. I think that this has just sort of, I mean everyone sort of- everyone who goes through a phase, you know, a phase like this and then comes out a little more tempered in the end, I think this is how- I think it’s exactly what she’s done.

SANDY: And I thought the scene where she screams “Rape” is so chilling to me. I don’t know what it is about that scene that just gives me goosebumps. But the fact that… I think it comes from a place of, of somebody who, I think from what we saw of her at the beginning, would try to be very… I don’t wanna use the word girly but I can’t come up with anything else. Girly in the sense that women are supposed to be quiet and pleasant and not say things that upset people or make people uncomfortable, and the complete opposite of that mentality is the girl who, you know, kind of abandons all inhibitions and isn’t afraid to scream Rape in a men’s hall and do whatever it is necessary to try to save somebody. And I really loved seeing her go to that place.

THEO: And I thought that’s- I thought so too. I loved seeing her figure it out, you know? She hears the whistle and she sees Mercer, and it sort of all clicks into place for her. And uh, I just loved seeing her be the one that puts it together, not really before Veronica but independently, and not having to use all the detective skills that Veronica uses.

SCARLETT: It’s kind of sad though, because Parker saves Veronica from getting raped when Veronica didn’t save Parker.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: Yeah.

SCARLETT: ‘Cause Veronica didn’t work it out. You know?

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: Because now we know that it was Mercer that was there, you know. It’s kind of sad.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: It is. It is very sad.

SCARLETT: But full circle, which I like.

THEO: Yes.

SANDY: Yeah. It came back around really nicely. And, you know, like you said I think that seeing- one of the things I was concerned about when we found out that we were gonna be having these shorter arcs is I was afraid that the mysteries wouldn’t be as complicated, that the characters wouldn’t be as fully developed, that we would miss out on a lot of, of complexity in terms of these storylines. But I feel like this was really done and that we had- the clues were laid out.

SCARLETT: I think that this was a better mystery than season two’s mystery.

THEO: Yeah. Hey, don’t steal my thunder here. We’ve still got Theo Investigates to do.

SANDY: Yeah. But I think just in general though, I think you’re right. If you’re just comparing sort of the… I was much more moved by this mystery than I was the bus crash.

SCARLETT: Yeah.

THEO: Me too.

SANDY: And I thought that it was laid out, and like Theo said we’re gonna kind of go through and walk through each of the clues before we get there. But I thought that the way that it was laid out was really well done. And not at all- I never felt like it was rushed at any point, and I also didn’t really feel like it dragged too much.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: I think, you know it might’ve- it’s one of those situations where you’re gonna see more clues when you go back and you look in retrospect. You’re gonna be like, oh man, they really were dropping clues everywhere. But I thought even as somebody who was just watching it go along it was really nice to kind of see everything hit fast pace without having that period of what bus crash? When did that bus crash happen? I remember a bus crash.

THEO: Oh yeah! Oh that bus crash.

SANDY: Yeah. Exactly. You know what else I thought was interesting-

SCARLETT: You know what else was fun though-

[pause]

SCARLETT: Oh, sorry.

SANDY: No, go ahead.

SCARLETT: I’m completely 180ing us but Keith, I thought his storyline was quite cool this week.

SANDY: Oh yeah.

SCARLETT: Because he was investigating all the adultery and stuff, which you know, got Veronica pretty pissed.

SANDY: Yeah. And the comment that Dean O’Dell makes to him, what kind of man could sleep with another man’s wife?

SCARLETT: Yeah.

SANDY: And he says that to Keith and we know, well, Keith is that kind of man. You know? And I think that it-

SCARLETT: You know. Hold his hand up. He’s that guy.

SANDY: Yeah. And it means that some of the things that we saw weren’t superfluous. You know, and I like that. I like that this whole affair plot wasn’t just a way to drive a wedge between Keith and Veronica temporarily, but that it again, like you were talking about character arcs. It’s kind of playing into who Keith is in the long run and in his profession and now in his interactions with other people.

SCARLETT: And getting Dean O’Dell killed!

THEO: Uch!

SCARLETT: I loved him!

THEO: He was so much fun, wasn’t he?

SANDY: Oh man.

SCARLETT: He was one of my favorites.

THEO: He was my favorite too.

SANDY: I loved him.

SCARLETT: He was my Van Clemmons.

THEO: But you know it almost has to happen-

SCARLETT: Can Clemmons come and be Dean now?

THEO: -because he befriended one of the Mars, and you know nothing good can ever happen to the Mars family. And like, he was just too nice to them.

SCARLETT: You either die or get run out of town.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: Or get accused of murder.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: Come to our dinner party. We’ll introduce you to some friends.

THEO: Yeah. Come to-

SANDY: I was bummed though, ‘cause I really did like him. You’re right. He was awesome.

THEO: Oh well.

SANDY: And he never got to drink his Scotch!

SCARLETT: Is Clemmons gonna be the Dean now?

THEO: Well we don’t know. Um. Sandy, we don’t know whether he got to open his uh, open his bottle of Scotch. I guess we’ll… actually that’s one of the things I wanted to talk about in either this week’s or a future episode of Theo Investigates because I’ve had some very good discussions about that very bottle of Scotch with a lot of our listeners, so.

SANDY: Yeah. Well there you go.

SCARLETT: Maybe someone killed him for it.

THEO: Yeah. Well.

SANDY: They stole the Scotch.

SCARLETT: Would it be enough to kill for? That would be interesting.

THEO: Even uh, that would be a good commercial for the Scotch, don’t you think? It’s like, you know, Glen Cracken, good enough to kill for.

[Cameron, the transcriber, invites someone else to Google the name of the Scotch.]

[Giggles]

SCARLETT: That’s my guess for next arc’s mystery. I think someone killed him for his Scotch.

THEO: Well I’ll write that down, Scarlett. I will write that down.

SANDY: You heard it here first.

SCARLETT: Thank you, Theo.

SANDY: You’re on record. No changing your mind.

SCARLETT: That’s good.

SANDY: The great Scotch mystery.

[Great Scottch!]

[Great-O Scotch-O]

SCARLETT: The Scotch mystery, see? Hahaha!

[Laughter]

THEO: Clever. How witty of you!

SANDY: Oh. Perfect.

SCARLETT: You’ve missed me, haven’t you?

THEO: I have so missed you.

SCARLETT: Oh, see. There I am. Quoting Lily almost. Paraphrasing.

SANDY: Yes. Yes. You are. Aw. That’s perfect.

SCARLETT: Maybe we should stop talking now.

SANDY: Well before we end this little segment I wanna say one more thing, which is one: I think it’s awesome that Lamb slept through the rapes. Two: I think that it is terrific that for once we had an episode with almost every single, besides sleeping Lamb, um, with every single season regular in it. You know. Mac came back, finally. Wallace came back. And this was not my own original opinion, but it’s something that I read which I think is very true and interesting. There have been a lot of complaints about Veronica’s behavior, if she’s too hard, blah, blah, blah, this season. And this commenter made the argument that perhaps the reason that Veronica seems more hard this season as opposed to the previous seasons is because we’ve seen less of her interactions with the people who make her soften up, like Wallace or Mac, or even Logan, really. Um. And Keith, she’s kind of been at odds with him and so we haven’t gotten to see that softer side with the people that she’s close to and the people that she does let in, and that the episodes are always better when we get to see her interact with those people like this week. You kind of see her nice, sweeter side.

SCARLETT: I thought that she was like that when she gave them the little fake I.D’s as a “thank you for helping me” present.

SANDY: Yeah.

SCARLETT: That was sort of, you know, kind of old school, season one high school Veronica to me. You know, she didn’t have to do anything for them. She’d already guilted them all into coming to the party. But she gave them a little present. I liked that.

THEO: I did too.

SANDY: Yeah. Exactly. And I think that it kind of sucks that this show is under the budgetary restraints that it’s under that we can’t always see those moments where she interacts with her friends because it is what kind of humanizes her. Anyway. On that note I think we will take a break, unless there’s anything else you guys wanna talk about just generally about the episode before we come back and really dissect the rape. Anything?

THEO: I think that’s all for now. I think I’m saving the real discussion about the rapes for the next segment.

SCARLETT: I think that’s just enough.

THEO: And I cannot wait. I have lists and lists and lists, and I am so full of lists that I have no more room for information. So.

SANDY: All right. Well, we’ll be back Pirates, after this.

[Oh music, how you make Cameron, the transcriber, swoon.]

[Funky little transition]

THEO: Aargh. Welcome back, Pirates. Now I get to take over for a little bit with uh, Sandy and Scarlett obviously. But uh, it’s time for Theo Investigates. And in this week’s segment I thought I would focus on how much I suck, and how much I did not pick who… I guess the right combination for the rapist. And Sandy and Scarlett are going to help me point out how much I suck, aren’t you?

SCARLETT: Woohoo!

SANDY: Yes. ‘Cause this is your whole job.

SCARLETT: We do it normally.

THEO: They do and I love ‘em for it. But now we get to do it in official capacity, so.

SCARLETT: Although to be fair, I don’t think even I would have seen Mercer, and usually I’ve picked the person that nobody thinks is going to do it.

THEO: You do.

SCARLETT: And I’ve already blamed Dean O’Dell’s death on Scotch, so.

THEO: Oh, well that’s true. That is a very good point actually.

SCARLETT: Even I didn’t pick the person who was already cleared.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: You know, um. This is my thing about Mercer. You know like last week I went on and on and on about how I hoped that it was Piz because it would have been this great marketing ploy pre-season to have everybody focus on the LoVe stuff and not notice him. Well that at least sort of played out with Mercer, because Ryan Devlin is the entertainment, the ET on MTV host. And he did the whole CW intro night thing with Hillarie Burton. And he just kind of offhandedly mentioned, hey, yeah. I’m gonna be on an episode of VM and I get to have a casino, isn’t that cool? And then there was a scene with him interviewing Kristen Bell and he’s like, so, Kristen, you know, how was my big scene? Did I do okay? And she was like, yeah. You did great. And he’s like, so you think I did a good job? And it was very much like he’s just some random guy who had a walk-on role on the show.

THEO: Right. It was.

SANDY: And then he kept showing up and I thought, oh. Well maybe they just kind of really liked the actor so they thought they’d use him more and make him a fake suspect. And then he’s the freaking rapist!

THEO: Those tricky casting types! Those tricky casting types.

SANDY: But that’s why I totally dismissed him, you know? ‘Cause I thought it was a little bit of stunt casting.

THEO: Oh yeah.

SCARLETT: And it’s so obvious-

THEO: Like it was a Paris Hilton bit of stunt casting, I thought. But who knew?

SCARLETT: You see for me, not knowing who he was, I just didn’t even notice him. You know? I kind of looked at the actor and I didn’t even know who he was, and I was like, oh, that’s Logan’s friend isn’t it? From some episode?

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: And then it was like, oh, the casino guy. And then like, when she walked up to Logan at the party, I was like, who the hell is that guy next to Logan? Oh, that’s the casino guy that was in prison the other day. It just seemed too obvious. You know? With the shaver and the GHB in his drawer, and it was like, oh Veronica.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: All guys have shavers.

THEO: What was even more amazing for me was that it was a team. It was a conspiracy among the two. And I, a lot of my emails this week have been, you know, why didn’t anyone start talking about the conspiracy theory? And just personally I didn’t start talking about it because at some point you have to draw the line. You know, because if you start talking about two people it’s which two people, and could it be three people and could it be everyone, and then you end up with some like, weird, twisted Agatha Christie mystery. You know?

SANDY: Yeah.

SCARLETT: And then Veronica’s the rapist. You know?

THEO: Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. So I just kinda drew the line at one.

SCARLETT: And she murdered Lilly Kane and crashed the bus.

THEO: Yes.

SANDY: This all takes place in Veronica’s mind. She’s in a coma.

THEO: That’s right. She’s in a coma. Oh God. That would be horrible.

[Had the weirdest dream mentioned while stepping out of the shower. Trapped in a schizophrenic world of creatures of own mind’s creation. Snowglobe.]

THEO: Please, if you’re listening. Writers, if you’re listening, don’t do that ever ‘cause we’ve had enough of that.

SANDY: No more comas. Um. You know the thing two that about the whole team thing that I think was one of the reasons why I never considered more than one person working together is because rape isn’t something that you generally think of as a group activity. Um. I mean certainly there are instances like gang rape, but you know this isn’t really a gang rape scenario, so you don’t really think of it as being like, a tag team sort of situation. If you did- if you just assumed like I did that the whole prison experiment was just-

SCARLETT: I love how mature you are that you’re laughing.

[CAMERON: Come on. She just used the phrases “gang rape” and “tag team” in this discussion. Bad choice of words.]

THEO: I’m sorry. But of all of us I never thought Sandy would be the one to bring up gang rape on the show. So, uh.

[CAMERON: See?]

SCARLETT: I know!

[Inappropriate, unstoppable giggling]

SANDY: Well, you know. I’m trying to make a point. And the point is that like, if you just assumed like I did that the whole prison experiment was just an excuse to see more Wallace and Logan interaction, and I’m naïve enough that I did, you would never consider Stockholm Syndrome or any of that kind of coming into play in the rape situation.

THEO: Yeah. Which is one of the things that you actually talked about when we talked about things, you know, clues that were hidden. And another incident with stunt casting that uh, we didn’t expect to have a deeper meaning, but it did, was the Patty Hearst casting.

SANDY: Yeah. You know. Because if you know anything about Patty Hearst, she was a victim of Stockholm Syndrome in that she was kidnapped and then went on to help the kidnappers rob a bank um, which, you know, this whole syndrome that a kidnapped person can become more loyal to the kidnappers than the people that they were originally close to, and that’s sort of exactly what played out here. You know, the prisoner became more loyal to the guard than he did other prisoners or even outside people.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: And to have Patty Hearst be in the episode just before this one and kind of give a throwback to that was interesting. I thought Patty Hearst was a weird sort of stunt cast, but now it makes… I don’t know. It was very interesting.

THEO: Especially when you include the uh, Rider Strong character. When he and uh, I guess Horshack, though I don’t remember the name, but uh, when they were both sort of kicked out for cheating, yet another allusion to Stockholm Syndrome that we just overlooked I suppose.

SANDY: Yeah. That he was constantly- that their relationship extended beyond simply the experiment, and he continued to kind of use that guy for his own purposes.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: And you kind of wondered why there were these references to that, and even in the second episode when Mo said that he participated in the prison experiment and it “changed his life,” I never- nobody ever sent me an email that pointed that out as a possible way that two people were working together. I think in retrospect a lot of people were like, yeah, I saw it coming. I knew Mo and that prison experiment.

THEO: A lot of the emails that I got- of course, in the past couple weeks Moe’s been suspect number one. And uh, I’ve gotten a lot of mail from that. A lot of people went back and sort of scoured over everything he’s said. But um, it’s uh, a lot of people mentioned that but never in the context to imply that he was working with someone else. And I think that’s something everyone missed. Including myself, so I’m not chastising or punishing or bragging, so. I’ll do better. I’ll try to do better next time.

SCARLETT: I fell for it. When Veronica saw the picture of them on the wall, I was just kinda like, oh crap.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: You know? I would have fallen for it. I would’ve sat down and had the tea. I did kind of think for a second, I was like, wow. That was a really easy conclusion.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: It’s like, wow. Kind of an anti-climax.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: And then she’s locked in a room and there’s hair falling on her!

THEO: That is so creepy.

SCARLETT: And it was horrible.

THEO: So disturbing.

SCARLETT: It was so creepy. That was the most dis- one of the most disturbing things I’ve ever seen I think.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: In this, in this show was all the hair from the rape girls falling onto Veronica.

SANDY: Yeah that was really chilling. And you know I think, you know, the friends that I have who watch this show, most of them are nowhere near as obsessed as we are, I think most Internet fans are. And they had no idea that the rape resolution was gonna come in X-number of episodes. And so they kind of either assumed that it was resolved last week or thought that it was just ongoing, and they were floored by this episode this week kind of resolving everything and putting it all together. I think it’s the same kind of mentality that I had, like Scarlett was saying, watching the episode is, you keep thinking that it’s over and then something else gets unraveled. And then something else gets unraveled. And again when she goes into the room with Mo I was like, oh man, we were all wrong about Moe. And then Boom, she’s locked in the room and she’s under the influence.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: I also loved that she got drugged from a cup of tea. You know? She was so worried about everybody, you know, drinking alcohol and test everybody’s drinks, you know?

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: Some poor girl will get raped if you get drunk and don’t test people’s drinks. And then it’s not alcohol; it’s a cup of tea that drugs her. It kind of puts it into perspective, I mean. Out of the three times that Veronica’s been drugged with GHB, only one of them has been with an alcoholic drink.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: Yeah. Very true.

SCARLETT: The other was her soda. And then a cup of tea.

THEO: And then I know, Sandy, you and I watched this, you know, and we IM back and forth during the actual show, and neither of us- I didn’t and I don’t think either of us really got it until the big reveal. And I think it was so shocking. Because I didn’t expect it to be two people even when she ran into Moe, you know, running from Mercer.

SANDY: Right.

THEO: And uh, it was such a huge thing it just; it floored me. So kudos to the writers. I have to say they incredibly… another brilliant, brilliant season arc, I think.

SANDY: Yeah it was. It was really well done and I think too, you know, just to kinda go back and talk about some of the other things that had happened with regard to Mercer, because Mercer was in fact a suspect early on and he was cleared in two ways. One: that he had radio shows the nights of three of the rapes, and the fourth being that he was in Mexico during one of the rapes. And I think that the whole purpose of last week with the Lilith House when Veronica sort of says, how many of the rapes were faked, was to lead us to the conclusion that both the blonde in the middle and um, what is her name? Nancy, who was another Lilith House member who was the activist speaking in Welcome Wagon, the African-American with the shaved head who was the one who was raped during the summer, and obviously the look on their faces suggested that they had faked more than one rape, which kind of leads you to the conclusion that that’s probably the rape that they faked given that she was a member of their group, which means that Mercer’s Mexico alibi meant nothing. And I never even thought about that at the time.

THEO: No. I didn’t either.

SANDY: It wasn’t until retrospect when I was like, well wait a minute. What about that? Oh, I bet that rape was one of the ones that was faked. And I didn’t put that together but that clue was there. And also the fact that Mercer spent that extra night in jail when he was arrested the first time, even though he was cleared he stayed in prison an extra night, and that was the night that Veronica’s head was shaved. So it kind of gave him a clear alibi because Veronica, like us, wasn’t thinking that two people were involved.

THEO: Right.

SANDY: So she just kind of completely wrote him off, which I think these little things were there and yet, you know, weren’t so overt that the casual viewer, somebody who wasn’t really sitting and dissecting of the show wouldn’t necessarily pick up on.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: But they definitely put it out.

SCARLETT: It’s kind of sad for Logan. All his friends keep turning out to rape people.

THEO: I know.

SANDY: For real.

SCARLETT: He needs to get new friends.

THEO: I agree. He needs to really reevaluate who his friends are in life. Get new ones I think.

SCARLETT: He has bad taste in men.

THEO: That’s right.

SANDY: How scary was the look on his face when he walked into that prison though?

THEO: Oh yeah.

SANDY: Dude.

SCARLETT: I love the look on Mercer’s face. It was just kind of like, oh crap.

THEO: Yeah.

SCARLETT: It was almost cartoon-y.

THEO: I have to admit, when I saw Logan approach the cruiser with a baseball bat, I really, I sort of did a very loud giggle/chuckle, ‘cause I just knew what was coming.

SCARLETT: It was just so great. It was so nonchalant, you know, just the way he was like, la la la.

THEO: Smash.

SCARLETT: Smash the cop car. And the two cops are like, oh my God! Our car!

SANDY: And again it was like, you know, that was a quietly comic moment. You know, I think was supposed to be sort of humorous, the way that it’s… it was very Lost-esque in some ways where everything is very pretty and lightly colored, and oh, they’re just eating in a diner, and then all of a sudden here comes Logan “Bam-Bam.” But also a nice little throwback to the pilot episode where he’s bashing in Veronica’s car. You know?

SCARLETT: Yeah. But this time he’s vandalizing for her.

THEO: That’s right.

SCARLETT: Not against her. But no, I thought it was a good character throwback because Logan’s been so mopey lately. It was nice to see some of the jackass from seasons past.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: No, I agree.

SCARLETT: If someone really pisses him off, he can still go there.

THEO: Yeah, and with him and Veronica apart now I look to see more of the jackass, I think.

SCARLETT: Yeah.

SANDY: Well, especially since he clearly is like the worst friend picker in the world. He’s gotta be a little hesitant to get close to people.

THEO: Absolutely. And you know, just because we’ve been talking about that, I’d like to extend my friendship. If Logan wants to come hang out with me or, you know, have me on the show as a good influence on him, I think I could do that. So uh.

SANDY: I don’t think anybody would call you a good influence, Theo.

THEO: Really? No, that’s a good point. No, you’re right.

SCARLETT: You just told us about getting drunk and looking for Chicken McNuggets with The Annabel Chongs.

THEO: So true. So true. All right.

SANDY: Um. The other thing that I wanna mention too is… in terms of continuity, Veronica… stabbing a guy with a unicorn.

THEO: Oh God. That was great.

SCARLETT: Love it.

SANDY: Loved it.

SCARLETT: Don’t you love that the unicorn thing goes all the way back to season one, when her mom, Lianne, left the unicorn music box?

THEO: Mhm.

SANDY: I love that. It’s perfect.

SCARLETT: The unicorn thing is like, this thread through the whole- but it always kind of crops up when it’s like, crappy things happening to her. You know, her mom leaves, someone tries to rape her, you know. It’s like some kind of violent weapon, that unicorn horn. Finally got some revenge.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: Yeah. I just like, I love the unicorn thing because it’s such a subtle continuity point.

SCARLETT: Yeah.

SANDY: You know, it’s something that Joe Random who is catching an episode of VM wouldn’t think oh, Veronica, that girl who loves unicornucopia, and has unicorn screensavers, and loves unicorns. They’re not gonna notice that. But I think I like to see rewards to the long term fans come in sort of a subtle way like that.

THEO: The little in jokes.

SCARLETT: Plus, the other day I saw some action figures that were um, evil unicorns that would fight with good unicorns and little pale people with them, and they were like little action figures.

THEO: Well I think I know what I want for Christmas now. So.

SANDY: Yeah. For real.

SCARLETT: You want to have unicorns that you can impale people with.

THEO: Exactly. Evil unicorns.

SANDY: And you’re supposed to be the good influence in Logan’s life? I’m confused.

THEO: You know what? Have I ever taken a baseball bat to someone’s car? No.

SANDY: No. But you’re gonna impale them with a unicorn, ‘cause that’s better.

THEO: Clearly different. Clearly.

SCARLETT: Maybe you and Logan just should never hang out.

THEO: Fine. Well you know what? Go- fine. I was gonna introduce him to you. Nevermind. So.

SCARLETT: Well. Okay. Well. You know.

THEO: Yeah. There. All right. Now that we’ve settled that.

SCARLETT: We’ll talk later, Theo.

THEO: Okay.

[Awkward pause. Cameron wonders if anyone will do any talking now.]

THEO: Well I think that really wraps it up for this week’s uh, Theo Investigates. I think we’ve investigated this one out. But I just wanna say with the new mystery I really- I wanna hear what people think about the murder of Dean O’Dell. And one thing I will tell you that I’ve been talking a lot about through emails is the bottle of Scotch. And um, you know, when we find it I don’t think- now, refresh my memory. But I don’t think we know whether it’s open or whether it’s, you know, whether it’s open, whether it’s still closed or whether it’s even in the room. I mean, I watched the episode a few times and I didn’t see that. Did anyone? Sandy? Scarlett?

SANDY: No I don’t think we know.

SCARLETT: I know that Keith didn’t open it.

THEO: Right. Right. I just wonder whether that’ll be another, that’ll be a plot point in a future episode. Because it’s sort of the one thing that was very obviously mentioned. You know, a lot of people suggested that with all the bad news that’s been, you know, heaped upon him, and he’s really not the most popular guy at the moment, a lot of people jumped to the conclusion that it was suicide. Especially being found slumped over his desk like that. But uh, I think we all know better than that. And I think one of the things that we might find, just sort of a speculation, is whether the bottle has been opened or not because it’s- it was made very clear that he didn’t wanna die without having, without drinking the bottle. So. I think we should all look for the bottle.

SANDY: So kind of discount su-

SCARLETT: I thought like, see I thought it was quite interesting that the gun is so clearly there and he’s shot in the head. But the first thing I thought was somebody forcing him to shoot himself. Like, maybe that’s really morbid but I think it might be somebody being like, shoot yourself or I’m gonna cut you to pieces and have a really horrible death. Like, quick death or slow death.

THEO: Yeah. Clearly, clearly the-

SCARLETT: So that they weren’t implicated by it and the bullet.

THEO: Exactly. And I think-

SCARLETT: A forced suicide.

THEO: Exactly. And I think that’ll allow, obviously, the completely inept Sheriff Lamb to sort of dismiss it as a suicide. And while I think that Keith and Veronica who have seen the bottle of Scotch and know its importance, and if it’s still not opened in the room I think they’ll have sort of an inside clue that it’s not a suicide.

SCARLETT: Ooh.

THEO: Do you see what I mean?

SCARLETT: Theo, I just thought of something else.

THEO: Share. Please share.

SCARLETT: The perfect murder papers. The As.

THEO: Exactly. Exactly.

SCARLETT: Professor Landry says he’s gonna put them up for the whole class to see, anybody who wants to see the A papers.

THEO: Exactly. And I can’t wait to see how that turns out.

SCARLETT: So anybody has access to a plan for a perfect murder.

THEO: That’s right.

SANDY: And we know that Veronica wrote at least one of them.

SCARLETT: Yeah.

THEO: That’s right.

SCARLETT: Wouldn’t that be cool if some random had used Veronica’s paper to kill the Dean?

THEO: That would be very cool. Um. Well not really. It’s not really cool that he’s dead. I don’t wanna say it’s cool at all because I really will miss his character. But it will be very clever, I should say.

SCARLETT: No, I miss him. It would be ironic.

THEO: Ironic and clever, I think.

SANDY: Maybe we’ll get some really good Dean O’Dell flashbacks.

THEO: That’s right.

SANDY: I do think it’s important though that they-

SCARLETT: I hope he haunts her. A la Lilly.

[Laughter]

SCARLETT: I want Ghost Dean O’Dell to like, appear in her closet like; I give fashion advice.

THEO: That’d be great.

SCARLETT: White’s in this year!

SANDY: But I do think it’s important though that they’ve picked somebody to die who the audience pretty generally liked, and Veronica liked.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: They really kind of had a good rapport even though they didn’t start off on the right foot. You know, to have that investment I think they’re really trying to make up for that mistake in the second season by having her so personally invested, by making it a person that she actually liked.

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: And that Weevil liked, and… you know, Keith liked…

SCARLETT: Yeah!

THEO: Yeah.

SANDY: There was more interaction.

THEO: He was really the only character that was doing good for her, Weevil, and Keith. So having him killed off, you know, it’s a really big heartache of a thing.

SCARLETT: And we found out about his family. We have the sentimental points. We know about his, you know, his stepson who is pretty much like his own son.

THEO: Yeah and that he would do-

SCARLETT: We met his wife quite a few times.

THEO: And that he would do anything.

SCARLETT: You know he kidnapped a guy to save this boy.

THEO: Exactly.

SCARLETT: I just wanna know like his- we saw the pictures of his kids and the bands that they listen to. We know quite a lot of personal information about him.

THEO: Mhm. And I just wanna say if there’s anyone out there listening that has some ideas about who did end the Dean, please feel free to email me. I promise, unless I got eight million emails, I will try to respond to you all personally. And if some of the ideas are very clever I will mention them on the air. I just want to say one thing is we’ve had two emails already suggest that the den mother is somehow involved in the murder. I really don’t know how to take that. I’m going to be thinking about that and during the next installment of Theo Investigates we will talk about possible suspects, possible cause, you know. Motives. All that sort of fun stuff. So.

SANDY: Sounds good.

THEO: With that I think that wraps up this week’s Theo Investigates. If there’s nothing else, ladies?

SANDY: Nope. I’m good.

THEO: Well. Stick around and we will see you for the music segment after this short break.

SANDY: Yup.

[Fake break!]

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[Shortest break EVER. Cameron’s fingers hate you all.]

THEO: Welcome back, Neptune listeners. With us now we have Bailey to do the music segment. And I have to say I’m very excited about the music this week, Bailey.

BAILEY: Yes. Lots and lots of good music this week.

THEO: Incredibly good music, I think.

BAILEY: Yes. I’ve been waiting impatiently for the podcast so I could talk about it.

THEO: Exactly. ‘Cause people don’t know out there, but Bailey and I, we talk all the time and it’s all about music, and we’ve spent all week talking about the music.

BAILEY: Yes. It’s exciting. Rubbing my hands together.

SANDY: Scarlett, are you feeling a little left out?

SCARLETT: Yeah. I’m not a music person. But you know what, Sandy? We have British music so I’m feeling a bit more included.

THEO: Ah, well.

SANDY: So really I’m just the outcast.

SCARLETT: No.

BAILEY: Shush.

THEO: You know what? I think we can all agree on that. No, no, no. I think we can all get behind that. It’s just you, Sandy.

SANDY: All right.

SCARLETT: Mwuhahahaha!

[Laughter]

SANDY: Okay.

SCARLETT: That was my evil laugh.

BAILEY: It was a beautiful evil laugh.

THEO: Yes. And before we start gushing about the music, why don’t you tell us more about the music this week, Bailey.

[Bailey’s usual silence followed by laughter]

BAILEY: Sorry.

SCARLETT: Or not.

THEO: Or we could just gush more. No. No. That’s appropriate.

[Lots of chatter. Cameron will wait.]

BAILEY: I had to pause because talking about the music and gushing kind of go hand in hand. Okay. Well the first song we heard this week was in the scene where Piz and Mac are at the Pi Sig party and they’re kind of wondering where Veronica is, and then we cut to Veronica running away from the creepy rapist shaver guy, who we don’t know is it. And she’s running away in creepy slow-mo. And that song is by Fatboy Slim and it’s called Right Here, Right Now. And it’s a good song.

THEO: It is a good song.

BAILEY: It was nicely used.

SANDY: Yeah it really created that sense of urgency.

BAILEY: Yeah.

THEO: Exactly. I didn’t realize how old that song was. That song is ten years old and it seems so fresh.

SANDY: You know what I think is really cool though about that use of that song, is we’ve talked before about how great it is when the actors are hearing the music that we’re hearing as opposed to music being tacked on top of the scene.

THEO: Mhm.

SANDY: It’s actually being used within the scene.

BAILEY: Right.

SANDY: And especially when you watch the teaser you see that everybody at the party is dancing along to that song. And you can hear it and then Veronica of course is running from it because it’s playing inside a room. And so the music is actually in that scene.

THEO: Yeah.

BAILEY: Yeah.

SANDY: You know. And I just think, I don’t know, it just heightens it somewhere to see she is going through this really frightening, horrible experience while that song plays and all these partygoers are just outside close enough that they’re listening to the same music. I don’t know. But they’re not wise to what’s going on. You know what I mean?

THEO: Right.

BAILEY: Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Definitely.

THEO: Fatboy Slim. Forever burned as the song Veronica almost got raped again to. So.

SCARLETT: You know, that came on in my work the other day in the evening. I was tired and awake, and it came on and I was like, oh God. It scared the crap out of me. I think it was Thursday evening and it was dark outside and all of a sudden Fatboy Slim comes on. I was like, someone’s getting raped! So scary.

[Laughter]

SANDY: Oh! And seeing Mercer do his creepy little dance to it.

BAILEY: Oh my God.

SANDY: You know?

SCARLETT: That was forever burned into my brain.

BAILEY: That was wonderful though.

SANDY: Oh man.

BAILEY: Mercer, such a creep. Okay. We won’t get into that. I’ll save that for you guys. Um. The next song that we hear is the Na Na Hey Hey song, you know. And um, the Lilith House ladies are singing it while they’re having their little celebration over the end of the Greek system. And the song’s originally by Steam. But they did a lovely rendition.

[Laughter]

THEO: I didn’t even know that was an actual song. I just thought that was something people did at ballgames. You know?

[Laughter]

BAILEY: Really?

SANDY: That one guy just made it up and…

SCARLETT: And everybody copied him.

[More laughter]

BAILEY: Oh God.

THEO: Well. Now I’m- now I know. Knowledge is power. So.

BAILEY: I want to live in Theo’s head.

THEO: Sorry. You really don’t. No one does. Sometimes I don’t even, so it’s all right.

BAILEY: Okay. Um, the next song hasn’t been identified yet and it’s when Dick and Co. are having their own little celebration when the Greek system has been reinstated by um, Dean O’Dell. And then after that we have the lovely Olivia Newton John with Have You Never Been Mellow. Theo has been singing that to me through email all week.

THEO: I can’t tell you. Everyone, you should see the email exchange ‘cause ever subject line is Have You Never Been Mellow, Have You Never Tried.

BAILEY: No, it really is.

THEO: I love that song. It’s such a perfect like, the juxtaposition between that song and her attitude, and that song, and then like, the crazy super-violent Lilith House people that are rocking and egging his car?

BAILEY: Right.

THEO: It’s so funny. It’s such a perfect song for that moment.

BAILEY: It really is.

THEO: And you just know the Dean would have Olivia Newton John in his car.

SANDY: Well, you know, here’s the thing though. He was borrowing his wife’s car and she took his car to go on her trip. So maybe his wife is the Olivia Newton John fan.

THEO: Well yeah. Maybe.

SCARLETT: Ooh. I like that.

THEO: But of all the music. He chose that.

BAILEY: I like to think that Dean O’Dell has a special place in his heart for Olivia Newton John and carries the CD right in his pocket everywhere he goes.

THEO: Yes. Yes.

BAILEY: That’s how I like to think of him.

SANDY: All right. Fair enough.

THEO: You know, I think he would be a cassette man. I don’t see him as a CD guy.

BAILEY: 8-track.

THEO: That’s right.

BAILEY: Okay. Now the techno dance music that’s at um, that’s playing in the Pi Sig party. None of those have really been identified because it’s hard, ‘cause you’re basically hearing the beat of the song and you can’t really hear the words. So it’s really hard to identify. So none of those we know anything about. But if you happen to know, feel free to email me. Next we hear a live band performing at the Pi Sig party, and they’re singing Sweet Caroline, which is originally by Neil Diamond. Which is a great song. Great use of the song because it’s so fitting, because that’s just- it’s like, true to life.

SANDY: That Sweet Caroline gets played at every frat party in the world? Yeah.

BAILEY: Yes! Yes.

THEO: Oh yeah. Pretty much.

BAILEY: And um, the band you see there are called The Diamond Smugglers, and they’re a Neil Diamond cover band from Austin. And you can hear a clip of them singing Sweet Caroline and some other good Neil classics at their website, which is www.diamondsmugglers[dot]com. And they did a really good job. I was pleased ‘cause I’m a big Neil fan.

THEO: That was so much fun. Both of those songs.

BAILEY: Yes. Totally. The next one, which is Thank The Lord For The Night Time. And um, that’s when we get- oh I’m sorry! I skipped an important part from Sweet Caroline where we get the Piz dance.