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This podcast is produced by fans of Veronica Mars, and is in no way affiliated with the UPN/CW network, Rob Thomas, or The Powers That Be, and does not reflect the views of any of the entities creating and producing the show. Skip to: THEO: Aargh, Veronica Mars’ fans. You’re listening to Neptune Pirate Radio. [OPENING THEME MUSIC: Vancefurd- Pirate Song] SANDY: What’s up, Pirates? We are… here again for another week. SCARLETT: Here in this metaphysical thing, space, blah. SANDY: Yes. Um. We are here for another podcast, and unfortunately Theo has decided that since he talked to Michael Muhney a couple weeks ago, he is way too cool to hang out with us anymore. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: So he’s just not here. SCARLETT: He doesn’t want to play with us. SANDY: No. He’s too cool. He’s um, you know, he talked to Muhney. He met uh, Jason and Enrico, and so now he thinks he should just go off and hobnob with celebrities. SCARLETT: Exactly. So uh, you know. He’s an 09er now and we’re 02ers apparently. SANDY: Apparently. SCARLETT: Apparently. You know that you’ve got the best deal. With all the girls, it’s an All-Girl podcast. SANDY: It is. It’s an All-Girl podcast this week and- you know I think this is the time when we get to, you know, put on our pajamas and eat lots of ice cream and watch girlie movies and talk about Veronica Mars. SCARLETT: Yay! SANDY: It should be fun. It should be fun. SCARLETT: Definitely. Also, this podcast will be a little bit shorter than normal. Because we did have something very, very special, but we’ve had to push it back ‘til next week. SANDY: Yes, and we’re gonna be telling everybody what that is soon, coming up. SCARLETT: But not now. ‘Cause we’re teases. SANDY: Yes. We are. We are big teases, aren’t we Scarlett? SCARLETT: We are, Sandy. But we’re allowed to be, because it’s the girly podcast. SANDY: That’s right. Um. Yeah. So we’re gonna force you to, to listen to our content-light podcast this week before we tell you what it is. [sings] Do-do-do-do. SCARLETT: [sings, sort of] Dun-dun-dun! SCARLETT: That was scarily synchronized. [Laughter] SANDY: It really was, and completely unplanned. Um. So. SCARLETT: Oh dear. SANDY: Now people know what we’re like all day when we, um, send the same emails to each other at the same time. It’s really quite sick. Um. You’re my Scottish counterpart. Okay. So. I have um, a somewhat- it’s not like a total conversion story, but it’s a semi-conversion story to share with you, Scarlett. SCARLETT: Ooh. Do tell. Do tell. SANDY: And, you know, this is legitimately the first time you’ve heard this story as opposed to other times when I tell stories on the air and it’s like the fourth or fifth time. SCARLETT: And we just pretend, and I’m like: Oh my gosh! Wow! SANDY: Exactly. SCARLETT: That’s surprising! SANDY: But you’re an actress so you pull it off beautifully every time. SCARLETT: Oh yeah. SANDY: If I wasn’t ruining all of our secrets to our audience. SCARLETT: Thanks. Thanks for that. I’ve just lost like, all my cool points. Great. [CAMERON: Maybe Theo will lend you some of his.] SANDY: No, you’ve gained cool points ‘cause now people understand how talented you can be. Um. SCARLETT: For my super-cool acting skills. Skillz with a “z.” SANDY: Yes. Um. Okay. Well I was talking to this friend of mine last night and he, he sent me an email based on some Veronica-esque away message that I had up. Because I have Veronica-tailored away messages up all the time. SCARLETT: She’s that obsessed. SANDY: Yeah, well I feel like they, they, you know, ignite conversations with people, you know, if it’s like a cool quote. SCARLETT: As in this case. SANDY: It totally worked. Hello. SCARLETT: There you go. SANDY: Um. But so he sends me a message and we start talking about Veronica Mars, and he was asking me if I had seen Brick yet, and I haven’t. But I plan, plan, plan on going to see it. Um. And if anybody out there doesn’t know what Brick is, it’s a film and it’s been getting a lot of comparisons to Veronica Mars because it’s high school teen-noir, um, much like Veronica is, although the movie, from what I understand, is considerable darker. But, he was asking me if I’d seen it, and I said no and we started talking about Veronica Mars, and he said that, you know, he’s decided to get the first season DVD and he and his girlfriend are gonna watch it, because all of the cool kids watch Veronica Mars, including his dad. And I just think that’s awesome. SCARLETT: Oh my gosh. That’s so cool. SANDY: Well, and especially since his dad is very sort of, pop culture in the know, you know? So it’s not entirely surprising. But it always amuses me when some kid gets recced the series by their parent. SCARLETT: By their parents, yeah. No, my parents just have to listen to me talk about it constantly. I did try and explain the first season to my mom, but uh, yeah. I think I scared her a little. SANDY: Oh. What part scared her? SCARLETT: I don’t know, but eh, the words, “Scarlett, I think you need to go and watch a comedy,” may have cropped up in that conversation. [SANDY laughter] SANDY: It is- SCARLETT: I was kinda like, “Okay. Yeah. Maybe we won’t be having family bonding time with this, this TV series.” SANDY: My mom watched- I converted my mother and she’s totally obsessed. SCARLETT: I think we need to start a campaign right here Sandy. We need everybody to go and make their parents watch UPN. Well not, sorry. SANDY: It’s not UPN; it’s the CW. SCARLETT: We need everybody to watch Veronica Mars. Because eh, perhaps there are parents who are Nielson viewers. SANDY: Very true. That’s right. Listeners? SCARLETT: So. I think you should make your parents, make your mom and dad watch Veronica Mars. SANDY: Yes. Make it be like your, your- SCARLETT: It’s a family. It’s a family thing. SANDY: It is. It’s a family show, sort of. You know. [Cameron stares blankly.] SCARLETT: There was almost incest in the show, you know. SANDY: And… yeah. And there are paternity issues. You know. SCARLETT: Exactly. And daddy-daughter P.I. bonding. There are lots of family issues. Good and bad. SANDY: Exactly. And, you know, speaking of daddy-daughter P.I. bonding, um, coming up: Father’s Day. SCARLETT: Yay! SANDY: And, you know, since Keith Mars is, I think without question, the best father figure on television. SCARLETT: Definitely. SANDY: He made some mistakes. But he’s a pretty good dad. I think it’s quite appropriate that we say Happy Father’s Day to Keith Mars. SCARLETT: Yay! Happy Father’s Day! SANDY: Happy Father’s Day, Keith! [CAMERON: Happy Father’s Day! Thanks for saving Veronica a lot!] SCARLETT: We didn’t anything for Mother’s Day because we really did not want to rub that in Veronica’s face. SANDY: No. No we didn’t. SCARLETT: Although, we’re fine with, with angering Logan. That’s cool. [SANDY laugh] SANDY: Yeah, um, earmuffs, Logan. You don’t have to hear about Father’s Day. SCARLETT: Earmuffs! We’ll make it up to him later. [Laughter. Hands In Pants.] SANDY: Yes. But I would also like to take this opportunity to say Happy Father’s Day to my own dad. SCARLETT: And mine. SANDY: He doesn’t listen to the podcast, but you know, I’m putting it out there. SCARLETT: We’ll pretend. He’ll get the vibes. SANDY: Yes. Out there. Even though it’s not for a couple weeks. [Cameron likes the sentiment, and thinks that is plenty of time for said vibes to reach the dads. Happy Father’s Day, Daddy!] SANDY: Um. All right. Well. In this podcast what we’re gonna do, um, I think, is break down some of the clues that have occurred in the first 3 episodes that have been rerun on UPN, which are Normal is the Watchword, Driver Ed, and Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang. SCARLETT: Excellent. SANDY: And later on we’re gonna have Bailey pop in and stop by to talk to us. SCARLETT: ‘Cause we like her. We just want her on the podcast. SANDY: Exactly. We have no reason to bring Bailey on this week ‘cause there is no music to discuss. But we’re gonna bring her on anyway. SCARLETT: We don’t need to discuss music? We’re gonna make her [use ‘em.] [?] SANDY: Yes. We’ll come up with something music-related. SCARLETT: We will. SANDY: But we’re gonna leave that as like a little surprise too. [Sing-like] Dun-dun-dun. SCARLETT: But don’t worry. I won’t sing. That’s not it. It’s fine. SANDY: Oh. SCARLETT: It’s okay. SANDY: Well, maybe we can coerce you. We’ll coerce you to write another song. Um. All right. Well we’re gonna take our first break. And we will be back after this. [Cameron enjoys the awesome Song by Band.] SANDY: Okay. So now we’re back, and we’re gonna talk about the clues that have been in the episodes that have been re-aired. Starting with Normal is the Watchword. SCARLETT: The clues for Evil Beaver. SANDY: Evil Beaver clues. Um. Yeah. I’ve been taking any excuse to sit down and rewatch the whole second season, you know, bit by bit, and overanalyzing everything that Beaver does. So. SCARLETT: It’s the best way to watch. SANDY: It is. It’s fun to like, go back through and see all the things that you missed. And I think, in the first 3 episodes especially; there’s a lot. SCARLETT: Yeah, it’s; it’s all subtext that you don’t really notice until you kind of go back. SANDY: Right. Like I don’t think there’s anything there that would have, that should have told us in the first 3 episodes, dun-dun-dun, Beaver’s the killer. But I do think- SCARLETT: I wish it kind of had. You know, like he suddenly turns up in season two and he has like a twirly moustache and, and a black cape. And with just like, a really deep voice and like, rope to tie Veronica to some train tracks. That would be awesome. SANDY: Yeah. Um. And a smoking gun in his hand. SCARLETT: Yes. SANDY: You know. SCARLETT: And maybe a sign on his chest that says: I Am a Killer! SANDY: Yeah. Beaver did it. SCARLETT: That would have been quite cool. But you know, before I completely get carried away, do you wanna take us through the clues of the first episode? SANDY: Sure. Um. Okay. So. When we first see Beaver in Normal is the Watchword, it’s via flashback, and he looks pretty guilty when he sees Veronica and she calls him Cassidy and she’s kinda nice to him. He sort of ducks his head and waves at her. And I think initially we all thought that that’s because he knew that Logan was lying about what they were gonna be using the gasoline for, but maybe it’s just because he’s kind of uncomfortable around Veronica. He never really seemed that comfortable around her in the first season episodes. SCARLETT: He did rape her though, so that could be why. [Cameron is not surprised that Scarlett beat her to it.] SANDY: Right. Exactly. He might. SCARLETT: You know. It’s not like; it doesn’t make for the most pleasant acquaintances, really. SANDY: Right. And they sort of had weird- SCARLETT: He does. He looks so shifty and sad. SANDY: And I can’t imagine that somebody that would, um, drive a bunch of kids off of a cliff would really care about lying- about a guy lying to his girlfriend. You know? SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: So. It’s, you know, there could be a double motivation there. Um. And when we see him for the first time in real time- SCARLETT: Not in flashback. SANDY: -yeah. He’s uh, cannonballing into the pool. So it’s, you know. SCARLETT: Ooh. Jumping. SANDY: Yes! SCARLETT: Off the edge. SANDY: [chuckle] He’s jumping off the edge, which is how we last see him in real time as well. So. There’s some parallel there. SCARLETT: That’s a nice full circle sort of thing. SANDY: Yeah. You know it could be- SCARLETT: Thumbs up, Rob Thomas. Thumbs up. I like it. SANDY: I like it too. I mean it could be completely coincidental and we’re overanalyzing, but that’s what we’re here to do, folks. SCARLETT: Exactly. SANDY: We overanalyze. SCARLETT: But also in that scene he makes a reference about a brother dying, so. SANDY: Yeah. In Ordinary People. And he, he sort of, he gets his back up against Dick, which I think is interesting that people- SCARLETT: We’d never seen that before. SANDY: No. He. Well, you know it’s weird with Beaver, because I feel like people think he’s so diminished and quiet, and let’s himself be victimized. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: But he’s really not. I don’t really ever recall very many- I recall very few scenes where he sort of let’s somebody push him around and has no comment to make in return. Most of the time it seems like he snaps back to Dick or to Veronica. SCARLETT: Yeah, see, I felt the same, but I really disliked him from the beginning, so. I don’t know if there’s a bias there. But you know, like all the way back in M.A.D., that’s when I first, you know. I was at the front of the bandwagon for the Beaver hating. So, you know, I’ve never seen what people see, you know, the whole victim thing. He always seems to get his own back. SANDY: Yeah, he- SCARLETT: And he doesn’t get treated that badly compared with some of the other characters. SANDY: Yeah. I mean I think that there, you know, there are obviously things that happen to him that we find out later, I mean, with the abuse from Woody and whatnot that are clearly quite horrible. But from what we see initially I think it’s interesting that, you know, sort of his head-down looks to Veronica and, you know, sometimes just a sad expression that Kyle will bring to a scene makes us feel sorry for the character, when really most of the time; I mean he had no problem standing up to Dick in that first scene. SCARLETT: Oh no. SANDY: He slams him for, for getting the Ordinary People reference wrong and mocks him for scoring lower on the SATs than he did. And he also sort of looks disgusted at Dick and Logan’s lustful glances towards Kendall. SCARLETT: Ah, yes. SANDY: You know. SCARLETT: The first signs that he’s not quite the average teenage boy. SANDY: Yeah. You know what? At first I guess you sort of look at that and think, oh, he’s protective of his father. But it seems like in retrospect- SCARLETT: Or, it’s a bit squicky, you know, to be thinking about his stepmother that way. But I mean it makes you think he has morals, I guess. That’s ironic. SANDY: Yeah I guess it’s the point that it’s trying to make to us, but I think in retrospect we can probably just say Beaver’s a little squicked out by anything sexual. You know? SCARLETT: Definitely. SANDY: So. Um. Okay. Well then they go to the, the thing at Shark Stadium- SCARLETT: Yes. SANDY: And, you know, Beaver is sitting in the back of the bus with Dick, and of course Dick notices the smell of the rat, but, you know, we don’t know who sat down first. I actually haven’t paid enough attention to that and I should go back and look and see if we can actually tell. But, you know, Beaver could have orchestrated it so that Dick was by those poor-smelling seats to ensure that they got off the bus as planned. SCARLETT: What’s kind of sick though is how happy Beaver looks through that whole sequence. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: On the bus, on the way there, on the way back, and in Shark Stadium. It’s one of the main times we see him like, smiling and laughing and joking with like, Dick and Logan, which is kind of creepy considering he knows he’s about to kill a bunch of people. SANDY: Yeah. I thought that was really weird too. And, you know, what also is interesting is that he’s the only person we see speak to Woody Goodman. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: I mean, to the point that not only does he speak to Woody Goodman, he kind of, and I hate to use the word “flirt,” but he kind of flirts with Woody a little. SCARLETT: Yeah. It’s almost as if to say, look what, you know, it’s like he’s putting it all on him. You know, like, oh you did this to me, but look what I can do. SANDY: Yeah. You know, he’s sort of, he brings up the, you know, oh, well that’s why the pitching sucks for the team, and sort of smarts off back to Woody Goodman, which I just think is interesting and kind of twisted. SCARLETT: Yeah. Again, he does not seem victimized. SANDY: No. It’s weird. SCARLETT: You know, in that situation. SANDY: I guess maybe because he knows he’s sort of, he’s about to take control of that situation so he- SCARLETT: Or so he thinks. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: It spirals out of control. But yeah, definitely. SANDY: Right. SCARLETT: It’s just another one of those weird moments that, despite some people’s complaints about season two; they managed to get some really subtle stuff in with Beaver. SANDY: They really did. And also I was so creeped out rewatching the first episode, how they focus on the pictures of the Little Leaguers. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: And how Duncan talks about why he wasn’t allowed to play Little League. Thank God that Celeste and Jake are… [Laughter] SCARLETT: I know! I mean, I already love Jake, but now I’m warming up to Celeste, the ice queen. SANDY: Yes. Thank you for protecting Duncan so he could one day become his own type of sexual predator. Um. SCARLETT: Exactly. And then move away with his illegitimate child. You know. SANDY: Right. Right. I’m just kidding Duncan fans. I don’t really think he… well. We won’t get into that discussion. Um. SCARLETT: To be fair, I actually like Duncan, so. You know. That’s all right. SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: I mock because I love Duncan. SANDY: Um. I- there are times when I love Duncan. SCARLETT: Like, when he’s uh, hiring hitmen? SANDY: Yeah. That pretty much rocked. And I liked Duncan all through season one, so. Um. Anyway. After the bus crashes, Beaver’s just sort of standing there at the edge, arms folded, No reaction. He just stares. SCARLETT: Didn’t we have something like that in the uh- when Curly Moran died? SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Do you remember? No. I’m sorry. Like before he died, Veronica made a comment about how, you know, there were people at the site of the crash, you know, kind of looking uninvolved and not very feeling. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: So strange. SANDY: Yeah it was weird. Um. So. I think that’s it for Normal is the Watchword, but there’s, you know, for the first episode of the season some juicy little tidbits there. SCARLETT: Oh yeah. Definitely. Also though, too many people die in the ocean in this show. SANDY: It’s true. There are a lot of people who die in this show, period. SCARLETT: Well. In season two there are. I think I’ve been desensitized to death. SANDY: Who knows how many will die next year? Keep upping that body count. SCARLETT: I know. It’s like, we start with the one or two, you know, in season one. Then we go up to like twenty-something. You know, is a whole frat house just gonna be taken out next year? SANDY: That would be awesome. SCARLETT: It would be so cool. Aw. SANDY: Um. Well, we can only hope uh, we get enough episodes to see. All right. SCARLETT: We totally have to move on to episode two of season two because- SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: -I want to talk about one of my favorite people ever… [Dramatic pause] SCARLETT: Big Dick Casablancas! SANDY: Yeah! [dissolves into laughter] SCARLETT: Oh, I love him. He’s such a skeeve! SANDY: I love him too. Even though he guest-starred in an episode of 7th Heaven. I can’t really forgive him for that. [Cameron can’t forgive the mention of the show that shall no longer be typed in these transcripts. Instead, it shall be referred to as @%&!] SCARLETT: Oh. Nope. But you know what? I’ve really, I really want him; I think him and Aaron Echolls would have been the best duo ever. SANDY: [gasps] You know they would have been totally smarmy and diabolical. I’m sad that we- SCARLETT: They would have been awesome! SANDY: It would have been awesome. SCARLETT: I kind of almost want Big Dick to be dead somehow, so that they can have like, some awesome death reunion and be skeezy together. SANDY: Yeah, Veronica could have some sort of dream where Aaron Echolls and Big Dick Casablancas come and give her some clues. I don’t know. Make it happen, Rob! I’m not the writer. SCARLETT: And do stuff. And drink brandy. And, you know. SANDY: Smoke cigars. SCARLETT: Smoke cigars and watch old sex tapes they made, and all kinds of horrible noir stuff. It would be awesome. SANDY: Well, we see Big Dick Casablancas come strolling into the Casablancas’ home complaining about a scratch on the car. SCARLETT: Ooh. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Where could that have come from? SANDY: Well, it could have come from when, you know, Beaver took the car and rammed it into a person. [Laughter] SCARLETT: You know, when he killed that person by driving them off a cliff. Whatever. SANDY: Yes. Yeah. ‘Cause it’s the same episode that Curly Moran dies and, you know, the scratch comment comes after we, you know, we don’t see Curly Moran after that scratch comment is made. So I’m thinking, quite possible that uh, that’s where that scratch was- SCARLETT: Those crappy renters. SANDY: I know. They’re so mysterious. We should know there are no throwaway lines on this show. SCARLETT: I know! But eh, we’re apparently slow like that. We haven’t picked it up yet. SANDY: No. But over time, over time we will learn the full art of Veronica decoding and we fully expect that by episode 3 next season we will be able to give you a full rundown of who did it and why. SCARLETT: Exactly who did it, and how and when and why. SANDY: Yes. Okay. SCARLETT: But you know what? I, I just have to say. Oh. My favorite, favorite, favorite thing happened when poor little Beaver didn’t get invited to the shooting range. SANDY: Oh. And it saves Logan’s life later. SCARLETT: I- I know! He’s such a suck-shot that, you know! SANDY: Aw. SCARLETT: If he had shot Logan in the head, I’ve said it before: there would be no coming back. No coming back. SANDY: Well, I don’t think anybody would be feeling any uh, Cassidy sympathy. Although, I mean I don’t, I don’t really fully understand how you could have any Cassidy sympathy- SCARLETT: Not now, but yeah. SANDY: Yes. But. SCARLETT: Evil Beaver sympathy. Beaver. SANDY: B- no. Beaver’s the evil counterpart. The sympathy is for Cassidy, the good counterpart. Schizophrenic. SCARLETT: I like how there is uh, this split-personality thing. I want, I want two people. I want to think- I don’t know. I’d be like, the Good Scarlett and the Bad Scarlett. [CAMERON: The Bad Cameron and the Worse Cameron.] SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: And I will blame everything on the Bad Scarlett. [CAMERON: Bad Cameron and Worse Cameron will also blame everything on the Bad Scarlett.] SANDY: We need to give you another name. An alternate-ego. SCARLETT: Yeah. I really don’t wanna go down that line though, because we’ve got Dick and Beaver, and it’s just not gonna go will if we give me an alternate name in the same vein. SANDY: Um. No. SCARLETT: I’m gonna have to tag that explicit rating on iTunes, and that’s just too much work. SANDY: Yes. That is too much work. All right. Well let’s just move on then. SCARLETT: To what happens at the shooting range. SANDY: Yes. Oh yeah! The line about, um- [laughs] SCARLETT: That line. SANDY: Particularly funny. When Dick and Logan are talking about hanging out with chicks and Dick says, “Only psycho chicks wanna go to Casa de Killer.” And of course… SCARLETT: Now, say it again. Say it fast. SANDY: Casa de Killer. SCARLETT: Cassidy Killer. Oh, that Rob Thomas. SANDY: Cassidy Killer. Um. They told us right there in episode two. Cassidy Killer. Um. Also ironic because at this point, um, more people have been killed by someone living at the Casablancas’ home than have been killed by people living, uh- SCARLETT: In the Echolls’ home. SANDY: At the Echolls home. Yes. So. SCARLETT: Also. Everyone kind of thought Logan was evil and it’s like, yeah. He’s the bad boy. Not the guy who killed everyone. SANDY: Yes. Whose body count is now up to nine. Plus a rape. SCARLETT: Logan is at what, zero? SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: So one framed murder. SANDY: One framed murder and Aaron Echolls has one genuine murder, and Cassidy has, um, nine. SCARLETT: Um. Nine. No, no! More than tha- oh. I was gonna say more than that. But not at this point. SANDY: No. Not at this point. At this point we’re only at nine. SCARLETT: I’m- he’s killed so many people I’m confused. SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: That’s the sign of a true sociopath multiple murderer. SANDY: Yes. Well the numbers just keep getting higher and he seems to care less and less and less about them. SCARLETT: Yeah. Not much more happens in that apart from him finding the Live Large condom wrapper. SANDY: Yes, the condom. And, he also is the one who pointed out Logan’s truck being at the Casablancas’ home when he shows up, in front of Dick Casablancas. So I think it’s pretty clear that Beaver knows. SCARLETT: He knows. SANDY: He knows that it’s likely Logan who’s messing around with Kendall. ‘Cause he’s smart. SCARLETT: Logan and Kendall. Neither of them are stealth. SANDY: No. They’re not. Cassidy’s smart and I think he probably had a good read on what was going on there, which is less significant for this episode and way more significant for the next episode because, obviously, if he knew that it was Logan and that’s what he was trying to point out to Veronica as just getting a money shot of Logan and Kendall together, he could have made that job a lot easier. But that’s not what he was truly after, which we will talk about. SCARLETT: He really has a grudge against this Veronica. I mean, writing her name on Curly’s hand, trying to out her ex-boyfriend as, you know, having an affair with a married woman. SANDY: Yeah. It’s weird. SCARLETT: You know, and then in Leave it to Beaver, telling her that Logan, eh, drove back from Mexico. Oh, and he raped Veronica. Does he hate Veronica or does he hate Logan? Or does he hate Logan and Veronica? Is Beaver the representative of everybody ever who does not support the Logan/Veronica relationship? [Laughter. Cameron is moved. Files this under conspiracy theory #347.] SANDY: That’s it. That’s it. SCARLETT: Is this like, Rob Thomas’ aside? It’s like, “Don’t worry guys, you have a voice too, and it’s Evil Beaver.” SANDY: Like you, Evil Beaver wants to drive a wedge between Logan and Veronica. SCARLETT: But he does! I mean, is it just hate of Veronica, of Logan, of both? It’s scary. SANDY: It is so weird. I mean, you know, I think he holds a grudge against Logan because Logan gets treated more like a son than he does by his own father. SCARLETT: That’s true. SANDY: So clearly he doesn’t, he can’t have a whole lot of love there for, for Logan. Which might be why he tried to get Logan arrested for Lilly’s murder. Um. SCARLETT: I totally hate you! My dad likes you more. You should get arrested for murder, and that will break you up with your girlfriend, and then that will lead to you being framed for murder. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: I know this is a long shot, but technically, that’s the chain of events. SANDY: It is. SCARLETT: Let’s always blame Beaver. SANDY: Yes. Beaver is responsible for everything. SCARLETT: Did you know that he told Aaron Echolls to murder Lilly Kane? SANDY: And, did you know that he told Duncan that Veronica was working a job at The Hut, and that’s why he should go hang out there? SCARLETT: Oh my God, really? SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Wow. SANDY: That’s a little known deleted scene, but I think that when the DVDs come out in August we’re gonna see that scene. SCARLETT: Also, burning down the pool: Totally his idea. SANDY: Totally his idea. That’s like, not even- the person who put the shotgun through Logan’s window wasn’t a PCHer. It was Beaver. SCARLETT: Oh it was totally Beaver. SANDY: It was Beaver. I love how we can sit here and like- SCARLETT: That explains everything ever. SANDY: -just completely rip on him with no accountability because there’s no Theo here and there’s no Bailey here. So… [Laughter] SCARLETT: I know. It’s like we have no rational voice anymore. I am sorry. SANDY: Yes. Well, I used to be the rational voice, but um. I don’t have to be the rational voice this week. SCARLETT: I corrupted her. SANDY: You did. [Cameron will be the rational voice. Unfortunately, her voice does not participate in live sessions, so this is as good as it gets. Come on, readers. You know you love them.] SANDY: Uh, well let’s talk about Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang because… SCARLETT: Really? What? We’re gonna talk about an episode? Shut up! SANDY: I know! Hey, we’re doing really good for having to cover three episodes when normally this would take us three hours worth of podcasting to do. SCARLETT: That’s true. SANDY: So I think we’re doing okay. [Cameron thinks this is fabulous. Go team, go!] SCARLETT: Just imagine- SANDY: Ooh. When Bailey gets here- when Bailey gets here, we’re totally gonna be like, Bailey. Here we are to do the music segment. SCARLETT: Haha, we’re like Beaver! SANDY: Listen to um, why don’t you tell us all of the songs that were included in the first three episodes of the show. Go! And make her feel dreadfully unprepared. SCARLETT: There would be like, silence. We’ll have radio silence for like an hour as she’s like, “What? What?” SANDY: She might be able to nail some of them. We’ll see. Well… SCARLETT: That’s gonna be a test. Only you, our listeners, and us know this. Bailey doesn’t know this. But we’re gonna test her. SANDY: We are gonna test her. SCARLETT: It will be awesome. SANDY: [shushes listeners] [long silence] SCARLETT: Silence. SANDY: This is the best idea ever. Okay. Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang. Let’s go. Um. All right. SCARLETT: FBLA! SANDY: Yes. They’re in FBLA, and he walks out with Veronica. Well, he gets dissed by his dad in FBLA, but that’s nothing new. He walks out with Veronica and the comment that he makes that makes me wanna smack him in his little Cassidy face is: “I think it’s really cool that you’re joining FBLA, you know, being a girl and all.” SCARLETT: And really, don’t we all think he’s evil now? SANDY: What the hell is that? SCARLETT: This is the girly podcast. SANDY: I know. And I, you know, I took offense to that, ‘cause I was Ms. FBLA when I was in high school. SCARLETT: Oh wow. SANDY: Yeah. I’m a… big nerd. SCARLETT: I wasn’t gonna say it. I wasn’t going to. You said it, not me. SANDY: But I was like, what? Cassidy must die. Oh wait! SCARLETT: It was you, Sandy. It’s all on you. SANDY: Yes. Yes. SCARLETT: But then, to be fair, did she join because she needed extra credit, or did she just join ‘cause her boyfriend was there? SANDY: Yeah. I think she pretty much admits that she just joins because her boyfriend is there. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: It’s a little girly of Veronica. What’s up with that, Veronica? SCARLETT: What happened to you? Come on, man. You used to be cool. SANDY: Why aren’t you joining the photography club? Focus on your interests! SCARLETT: I thought you said pornography club and I was like, what? SANDY: Um. SCARLETT: There was a whole- that was… oh. SANDY: No, that’s hopefully taking place over the summer months. SCARLETT: What we’re not watching. SANDY: Um. Between high school and college. Um. Yes. Well. SCARLETT: Hearst College pornography club. SANDY: Yes. Exactly. I expect a T-shirt, Café Press. Cloud Watchers, get on it. SCARLETT: Yeah. Make us T-shirts- SANDY: -that say Hearst College pornography club? Yes. I agree. SCARLETT: We’ll headline it. Seriously. We’re not joking. We really want them sent. SANDY: Totally serious. Um. Okay. Well then we have all the stuff with the investigation and how Beaver basically does the entire investigation himself, and now I feel really stupid that I did not notice this back when I watched the episode the first three times. SCARLETT: Yeah. You know I actually didn’t notice that until you said it right now, so. SANDY: Oh. SCARLETT: We can pretend I did. I like, had it for a sec and I was like, yeah. And now I’m like, no. I did know it. SANDY: Yeah. Okay. Well let’s talk about all the stuff. SCARLETT: It’s very subtle. SANDY: Yeah, well he’s good at it. And I think he takes great pleasure in manipulating Veronica, which is why he busts out the “you were marvelous” line in the finale- SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: -‘cause he finally gets to acknowledge that she’s not quite as smart as- SCARLETT: He’s playing her. SANDY: Yeah. He totally played her. SCARLETT: But he plays everyone and nobody knows. SANDY: Yeah. Which is kind of awesome. Well done, Beaver. SCARLETT: It really is. Although I feel like… I don’t know. I like it when we get that inside scoop. I feel like if it had been shared- I know that it would have ruined the surprise, but if it had been shared with us, the viewers, just a little bit, it would have been slightly cooler. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: I wouldn’t have felt so lost. SANDY: No. I mean I get that. SCARLETT: It is so cool. Like, all the stuff he does in this episode that I didn’t even notice, with the iPod and with the uh, the seedy hotels, and all the uh, real estate stuff. It all kind of leads into eh, when he opened, you know, Phoenix Land Trust. SANDY: Yeah. He- yeah he talks about- SCARLETT: And I thought it was kinda just, you know, a kind of idea, you know. Like a throwaway idea. But no, it’s all lead up to that. SANDY: Yeah. He totally has it all plotted, and you know, for starters he’s the one who points out the bag switch to Veronica. She didn’t notice that Kendall and her date switched bags. SCARLETT: Yeah. It would have taken like, serious eh, what’s that word? Surveillance. Watching. Observation. Eyes. SANDY: Yeah. It would have taken Veronica I think a while to like, of looking at those pictures, to notice the bag switch. SCARLETT: But would we would have got kind of some epiphany music at the time and been like, [gasps], and you know there would have been an awesome score. SANDY: Yes. The camera would have zoomed in behind her. Um. SCARLETT: Into the, into the picture right to where we had to look. SANDY: Yes. Exactly. SCARLETT: [huh?] would have looked shocked. But we were ruined for that. SANDY: Yes. Beaver took that away from us. He is also the one who- SCARLETT: I feel cheated! He took everything away! Everything! [SANDY laughter] SCARLETT: I’m having a Mac moment there. SANDY: I noticed, um. I was just gonna let you run with it. He’s also the one who points out that, that Kendall’s cheating at one of Big Dick’s own properties. Veronica may have never even thought twice about The Sandpiper being the same Sandpiper that they looked at in class, and Cassidy’s the one who points it out to her, which is the only reason she ever figures out the REIT scheme, which is cool. SCARLETT: Yeah. And to be fair, would he have really known. I mean, you know, obviously Dick didn’t know about all this kinda… well. Maybe he’s not the best example. But, you know, obviously he did not know about the kind of shady dealings that the Casablancas were doing, ‘cause he didn’t know, you know, The Sandpiper, etcetera. He thought it was this big, sparkly hotel. So. Beaver must have known, you know, all this. He must have been planning even, you know, his, his father’s kind of wrongdoings before this. SANDY: Yeah. I mean I think it’s, it, you know. Had Beaver or Cassidy known that this was one of his father’s purported hotels, and Cassidy has a great business mind, obviously he would have known that what his dad was doing was fraud. You know? SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: Cassidy would have realized that. He never would have hired a P.I. to look into it. And so the fact that he knows this is supposed to be one of his dad’s properties and he’s seen pictures of the real Sandpiper hotel; he had to have known what his dad was doing was wrong. We find out in the finale that in fact, he did, and that’s why he asked Veronica to look into him, but it’s just- you wanna kind of smack yourself for saying: Why didn’t I think about this sooner? You know? SCARLETT: You also kind of want to smack him. You’re like, oh my God. You’re actually even going against your father. He goes against every person in his family. SANDY: Yeah. I mean he’s pretty diabolical. SCARLETT: He is completely alone. Just sad. He doesn’t even ha- I mean we think Veronica’s pretty alone in the Pilot episode of season one, but even she had Keith. SANDY: No. It’s true. And Cassidy really kind of has nobody. SCARLETT: I like how you’ve started calling him Cassidy and I’m still calling him Beaver. SANDY: Well I call him Cassidy or Beaver depending on what he’s doing. When he’s doing something Evil, I call him Beaver. And when I’m just referring to him I call him Cassidy. I like to keep them separate. The last big thing that we see him do in this episode is the conversation with Veronica about the iPod and the pictures, and he sort of- she starts to explain the REIT scheme to him and he distracts her with another customer and says, “Oh, you have another customer,” and basically gets her to run away before she can explain what’s going on to him. And then he loads up the picture of Logan, and then runs away with the iPod. SCARLETT: I know! I love that. I’m just, I’m just gonna run away now. SANDY: Yeah. Which is- SCARLETT: And at the time we think, oh my gosh. Poor Beaver. Poor Cassidy. He just found out that one of his friends is, you know, chea- like, helping his stepmother cheat on his dad. But that’s not true. SANDY: No, he knew. SCARLETT: He knew all along. SANDY: He knew. And I also think it’s interesting- SCARLETT: You played me! He didn’t play Veronica. He played us. SANDY: It’s true. Yeah, he- SCARLETT: Curse all this playing! [Laughter] SCARLETT: It confuses me! Confuses and infuriates me. SANDY: Well he, it’s just, you know. It’s interesting ‘cause it’s night and he takes off in such a hurry like he has to immediately go tell his father what’s going on. And then he waits until the next day when the, when the Federal Agents have shown up. You know. SCARLETT: You know. Once he’s tipped off everyone. SANDY: Yeah, once he’s given Veronica sufficient time to tell the Feds, then he goes to warn his dad just so his dad will know who exactly is responsible for bringing him down, you know. It’s like- SCARLETT: To be fair, he does give his dad enough time to run away in a helicopter. SANDY: Well that’s assuming that he knew that his dad had this contingency plan. SCARLETT: Oh that’s true. SANDY: He waited until the next afternoon. SCARLETT: The very last minute. SANDY: Yeah. And I think maybe part of the distressed look on his face is ‘cause he didn’t necessarily want his dad to get away, but I think he told his dad about it so that his dad would know exactly who brought him down. SCARLETT: It’s like, curses, you mean you have a helicopter? SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Oh really? SANDY: Foiled again! [Laughter] SANDY: Yeah. And then of course, like I said, he puts up the picture of Logan and Kendall and leaves that as the picture that Veronica sees, which is sort of the same thing he does to her in Leave it to Beaver when he sort of outs Logan’s alibi to her. And it’s kind of, maybe there’s no ulterior motive there, but now I kind of think the worst of Beaver, and I think that- SCARLETT: I love it. It’s like, now, now that Rob’s told me to I kind of hate Beaver. So let’s blame him for everything. SANDY: Yes. But it’s possible that he left that picture up just to, you know, sort of stick it to Veronica, or to get Logan in trouble. SCARLETT: Haha! Not only did I rape you, but your ex-boyfriend’s sleeping with my stepmom! I don’t know how that, you know, I don’t know what his inner thought would be. But, you know. SANDY: Neither do I. But since we’re ganging up on him so much maybe we should um, take a little break- SANDY: -we should take a little break- SCARLETT: If you could just imagine a maniacal laugh! It’s like when Veronica sees Weevil in the corridor and she’s like, you know, the- she says he’s missing the maniacal laugh. Cassidy gets that. Beaver gets that on the roof and I’m just like, wow. We had all the hints. SANDY: We did. We did. We had all the hints. SCARLETT: The episodes aren’t related at all, but we do know my tangents. It’s fine. SANDY: It’s all right. Um. Well I think we should take a little break and get Bailey in here and give her her little test. SCARLETT: Definitely! So stay tuned for that. SANDY: Yes. And we’ll finally, as promised, tell you what it was that is causing us to be a little content-light. Although, actually now we’ve rambled on long enough. SCARLETT: I don’t think we’re going to be all that content-light. We’re ramblers. SANDY: We aren’t going to be as content-light as we thought. Um. All right. Well we’ll be back after this. [This Song by That Band] [Cameron is enjoying the break. That was a long discussion. The music is lovely, thanks Bailey. “Daddy’s little girl is growing up faster than he ever could have known.” Perfect.] SCARLETT: Hey, Pirates. We’re back from our epically long episode discussion. And now we have Bailey with us. Hey, Bailey. SANDY: Hi! BAILEY: Hi! [More greetings. Which is odd, because everyone has said hello. But it’s Bailey, and they like her enough to welcome her twice.] SCARLETT: I don’t know why my voice just went so high there. It was like, “Hi! I’m five!” SANDY: It’s because it’s the overly estrogen-charged podcast. SCARLETT: It is. BAILEY: That’s what it is. SCARLETT: Well Bailey, you don’t know this and we didn’t tell you. [SANDY laughs maniacally] SCARLETT: But we have a test for you. BAILEY: Are you serious? Why didn’t you tell me? [Note: Bailey speaks in the exact same tone Scarlett imitated when this plot was introduced earlier in the podcast. It’s kind of hilariously accurate.] SANDY: Because we’re eeeevil, like Beaver. SCARLETT: Because it wouldn’t be a test if we tell you. We only told our listeners. BAILEY: Hey! SCARLETT: Name the songs from the first three episodes, Beaver episodes, of season two. Go! [Disgruntled silence. Interrupted by S&S giggles.] BAILEY: Hey. That’s not fair. The first three- from the first three Beaver episodes? SANDY: No, the first three episodes of season two. SCARLETT: From season two. BEAVER: Oh. SCARLETT: With Beaver. ‘Cause that’s what we were talking about. [More maniacal laughter. Disgruntled Bailey.] BAILEY: The first three episodes of season two. Let’s see. [CAMERON: What? She’s doing it?] BAILEY: The first episode we had… Ashes by Embrace. And- SCARLETT: Oh no! You’re actually gonna do this. Man, we’re gonna look silly. [SANDY laughter] BAILEY: Wait. Was I not supposed to? SANDY: Well I’m curious just to see how many you can actually do. SCARLETT: Yeah. Come on. BAILEY: Okay. Um. Ashes by Embrace. And then, um. Crap. See this is bad. You guys shouldn’t do this to me. This is not very nice here. SANDY: [fake throat clearing whisper] Long Time Coming. SCARLETT: Go to Driver Ed. SANDY: [more fake throat whisper] Long Time Coming. BAILEY: Oh! That’s right! Yes. Yes. The Delays’ Long Time Coming. SCARLETT: What? Stop cheating! Sandy! SANDY: I’m sorry. BAILEY: Okay. The Change by… SCARLETT: Wow. This is more than I knew. BAILEY: …John somebody? [SANDY. Laughing.] BAILEY: John somebody? I don’t- SANDY: Well we’re never gonna get John Somebody to license us his music because we did not know his name. SCARLETT: He must feel really special now. I’m John Somebody. BAILEY: It’s The Change by John Somebody. Then I think- there were some other songs in that first episode. I don’t know. And then in Driver Ed, of course, Magic Bus by The Who. SCARLETT: Oh yeah. SANDY: Oh yeah. BAILEY: And then: Where Is My Mind by The Pixies. That’s the last scene. SCARLETT: Ooh. BAILEY: I remember that ‘cause I was just- that scene, that’s ‘cause I was just talking about that the other day and I just had to look it up. Someone asked me what that song was so I had to look it up. SCARLETT: I saw The Pixies live last year. BAILEY: They’re… oh, so great. SCARLETT: Sorry I just thought I would, I’d mention that for our listeners. I thought that they would feel it was important. BAILEY: It is important. It is so important. SANDY: I’m sure that they all, they’re all happy with that knowledge. BAILEY: It is. And then, I- there’s songs there that I know. And then in episode- SANDY: [gasps] There’s- wait, wait, wait. Again, you’re forgetting the pivotal Duncan/Veronica scenes. Um. On Your Porch? BAILEY: Oh wait. Don’t tell me. Don’t tell me. I’ll tell you. Let me think. SANDY: I already said it! SCARLETT: I wasn’t listening. BAILEY: What did you say? I didn’t hear you! I wasn’t listening either. Don’t say it now. SCARLETT: We weren’t listening to you Sandy. SANDY: I won’t say it again. BAILEY: The song that always makes me cry. The song about where his, his mom nursed the dad back to health and he’s like, and if you’ve failed you haven’t failed to us, that song makes me cry so hard. SCARLETT: The Format, On Your Porch, is that it? BAILEY: Yes! SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: Oh yay. BAILEY: Yes. Yes. That song makes me cry so hard. Okay. Yay. SCARLETT: Wow. I got it. BAILEY: Um. And in the third episode- SCARLETT: Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang. BAILEY: -that’s right. Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang. I Turn My Camera On by Spoon. SCARLETT: Yay! I love Spoon. Spoon is kind of like a Veronica band. We hear them like, so many times. SANDY: Yeah. BAILEY: Oh, they’re so good though. SCARLETT: Even at karaoke. SANDY: Even at karaoke. Yes. Britt Daniel. BAILEY: Oh, we had Courtney Taylor-Taylor from The Dandy Warhols in that episode. What did he sing? But I guess that doesn’t really count, huh? SANDY: That wasn’t in that episode was it? SCARLETT: No. SANDY: Was it in Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang? SCARLETT: He sings Love Hurts later. SANDY: In Green-Eyed Monster I think. We were talking about Britt Daniel being, doing- BAILEY: Well the guy from Spoon sings- SANDY: He sings Veronica later. SCARLETT: Yeah. But that’s not in this episode. SANDY: No. SCARLETT: Wow. BAILEY: No I’m talking about Courtney Taylor-Taylor from The Dandy Warhols. SANDY: He doesn’t sing in this episode, no. [CAMERON: He totally does.] SCARLETT: This is the most coherent discussion we’ve, you know- SANDY: Okay, maybe we should just move on. BAILEY: No! I am totally gonna argue about this one. I would bet money on it that this was, that was that episode. SANDY: Okay. Maybe it was. Oh! It was! Yeah. ‘Cause it’s before the scene with Cassidy and Veronica. SCARLETT: Yeah. BAILEY: See. Mhmm. SANDY: I’m sorry. I’m dumb, listeners. BAILEY: That’s right. This is why. This is why Bailey is the music person. SCARLETT: You’re our music person. SANDY: This is true. BAILEY: Yeah. That is why. SANDY: You did pretty well. I have to say. BAILEY: I know. I don’t know anything else. SANDY: We were mocking your imminent failure earlier. SCARLETT: I know. And we failed. BAILEY: That’s such- you guys are great, man. [Laughter] SCARLETT: We were mocking you when you couldn’t hear us, just the rest of everybody listening. BAILEY: Just remember that I have a little bit of editing power, so. Better watch your mouth. SCARLETT: That’s all right. I just won’t upload the episode. [CAMERON: Oh! It’s on now!] [Laughter] SANDY: And Scarlett wins. Um. SCARLETT: Yay! SANDY: Okay. Well. Because we were so mean to Bailey, I think that we’ll let Bailey make- you know we’ve been teasing this all episode. You know we were talking about how we have something coming up uh, next week, that we’re pretty excited about and planning and trying to work out all the details for that is what’s kept us busy this week. SCARLETT: Something that we’ll be moving our schedule for. SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: We’re not gonna make you wait two weeks. [CAMERON: Or maybe we will.] SANDY: No. We will be back next week. So. [CAMERON: Almost.] BAILEY: Talk about ruining schedules: I have lied so much at work trying to get around this announcement that we have. Like, it’s bad. I’m a bad person. SANDY: Well why don’t you tell us what it is? What do we have coming up next week? BAILEY: Okay. Everybody. Next week we have an interview with Kyle Gallner! SANDY: Yay! SCARLETT: Yay! Evil Beaver will be with us! SANDY: We have an exclusive interview with Kyle Gallner. SCARLETT: But sadly I will not be here. SANDY: No. Which is very unfortunate. SCARLETT: I will be busy being away, turning twenty. I will be losing my youth and not speaking to Kyle Gallner. Ask how crappy it is. SANDY: It’s gonna be very dark, a dark day. SCARLETT: Come on. Sympathize with me. SANDY: We do sympathize with you. BAILEY: Oh, no I totally do, because for like- the other day I completely thought I wouldn’t be able to be there and it was after I get myself so psyched up- SCARLETT: And then ‘til you lied. BAILEY: -yes I did. Well actually, no I didn’t lie to get out of it. I’ll just be home when it happens this time. I lied before. That’s why I ended up coming home from work two days in a row early when I didn’t really need to. But that’s okay. SANDY: No. We’re really, really excited though. We’ve already prepared a whole list of questions that we’ve gathered from people on the Internet. So. Trust me. If you’ve thought of it, we’ve thought of it. Um. If you really, really think that you have a unique question that is something that- SCARLETT: You can send it to us, but we already have it. SANDY: -yes. If it’s truly unique. I mean, trust me, we’re on it in terms of asking him when he found out about being the killer and things like that. We’ve got that stuff covered. SCARLETT: He’s never leaving, ever. BAILEY: No. SCARLETT: We’ve got enough questions to last for like the next 3 months. [Laughter] SCARLETT: That poor boy is never, ever gonna get another acting job, ‘cause we’re gonna just be rambling away. BAILEY: No, I’m gonna be, I probably won’t even be able to talk. I’ll be incoherent because I’m such a huge fan. Such a huge fan. SCARLETT: Aw. BAILEY: Kyle, dududududnuh…. [Laughter] SCARLETT: Marry me! BAILEY: Marry me. SANDY: Um. Okay. So maybe we won’t be letting Bailey on the line after all. [Laughter] SCARLETT: No! BAILEY: No. I will take my music and run. SANDY: Yes. Well we are, we know how anxious everybody’s been to hear from Kyle, and we are-we’ve been dying to hear from him as well. So we are very, very excited that he has been so generous to grant us this interview. So. Next week. Next Saturday. SCARLETT: Most definitely. ‘Cause I don’t know, but personally I don’t think I’ve seen him do any interviews post-finale. SANDY: I haven’t seen any. BAILEY: I haven’t seen anything. SANDY: Neither have I. So. SCARLETT: But we can’t officially say that it’s an exclusive, but we think it is. SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: Wink-wink-nudge-nudge. We think it is. We’re pretty sure. We’re about as sure as we’re sure that Aaron Echolls is evil. SANDY: No. Well I mean, clearly he’s probably doing other interviews about the finale, one would think, and about the show. BAILEY: I really haven’t seen anything, and I’ve been looking out. But maybe nothing’s been out, been released yet. Like, he’s already done it or- SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Don’t cheat on us, Kyle. [Laughter] SCARLETT: Don’t. Don’t. Just don’t. SANDY: Yes. Um. So yes. SCARLETT: So we’re very excited about that. It should be great. SANDY: We are, as is evident, we are quite excited about that, and we will bring it to you next week. Um. Barring any sort of last minute changes or anything like that, in which case we will obviously be keeping you all well informed. [CAMERON: We wanted to do that! But we promise it will be just as awesome!] BAILEY: Well. And there’s also a little bit of news on that same sort of subject, but not exactly. And I don’t know, Sandy, if you want me to say something about it or not, or if you know what I’m talking about. SANDY: Um. I don’t. So why don’t you tell us. BAILEY: Okay. Well. Um. There’s no definite date as of yet, but within a few weeks time we will also be interviewing Josh Kramon. SANDY: Oh right. Yeah. BAILEY: Right? He does all the scores for Veronica Mars. SCARLETT: Hi! This is the first time Scarlett’s heard of this and she’s now super-excited. Yay! BAILEY: Hey Scarlett, we’re interviewing Josh! Yeah. I’m very excited about that too. SCARLETT: Oh my God. I love him. BAILEY: Me too. SCARLETT: Ah! Incoherent. If I have to turn twenty that week too, I’m gonna be really pissed at myself. SANDY: Yes. That’s another big one. BAILEY: It is indeed-y. SCARLETT: Oh, yay. BAILEY: He’s great. SCARLETT: We love him! BAILEY: Yes. SCARLETT: I have the score on my computer. It’s just- it’s so good. BAILEY: Well he contributes so much to the actual feel of the show- SCARLETT: He does. BAILEY: -that gives it that noir feel. Like, that’s- I really think that that has a lot to do with it. I mean everything, of course the mind is what creates it, but. SCARLETT: Oh yeah. I was just thinking the other day ‘cause obviously, um, Veronica Mars lost their cinematographer at the end of season one. And a lot of people thought it had a different feel, you know, in season two. I was thinking that they- that was almost, you know, okay. But if they lost Josh Kramon and he didn’t do anymore score, it would be so wrong. BAILEY: It would. SCARLETT: You know? BAILEY: Definitely. SCARLETT: I was watching, I know I shouldn’t admit this, but I was watching The O.C. and just listening to their score, and obviously their score is just completely different. And I was like, wow. Imagine if the guy that did the score for The O.C. suddenly came onto Veronica Mars. BAILEY: Oh no. SANDY: It’d be a totally different show. BAILEY: It really would. SCARLETT: It would. It would have a completely different feel. It wouldn’t be so creepy and awesome. SANDY: Very true. SCARLETT: Do you notice how everything on that show is creepy and awesome? SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: Like Woody Goodman and Aaron Echolls and Big Dick Casablancas and just everybody. SANDY: All creepy. All awesome. BAILEY: What’s great about it is it can still be creepy and you just love it. Like Woody Goodman and Aaron Echolls. You’re like, ew- SANDY: And hello, Cassidy. BAILEY: -chills and- SANDY: Creepy. BAILEY: -excuse me. We’re not gonna touch on that. SCARLETT: I don’t. I don’t like Cassidy. [Laughter] SANDY: Now everybody knows why we- SCARLETT: And Air. Air, using the Run song. That’s just creepy. BAILEY: Oh my God. SANDY: Yes. BAILEY: That song is amazing, and it’s creepy on it’s own in some way, ‘cause the vocals are all weird. But in the show it was just like, whoa. Creepy. SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: Oh. Do you know what else though? Sandy said that we were gonna get to play this game, and we haven’t. We were supposed to say what our favorite songs are, so I’m gonna say it now. Hi Lo by Under the Influence of Giants. Go out in like the next month or so. Go and buy it. They’re awesome. That song, particularly. BAILEY: That song is so great. SANDY: Yes we- SCARLETT: Which plays in the second episode of season one when Veronica finds her tire flat and Logan rolls an apple along her, the hood of her car, and then smirks at her. And then Troy appears. And then Duncan appears. It’s like, all the boys. BAILEY: It’s like; I wish I were Veronica at this moment. SCARLETT: I know. You’re just like, wow. It’s like every one of your love interests has suddenly appeared by your car. They’ve all met. You just expect Leo to drive up. [high voice] Hi. SANDY: Yeah. SCARLETT: Not anything like me at all because I am a girl with a high-pitched voice. BAILEY: He’s like, [low voice] hi, Veronica. SCARLETT: Rather than [high voice] hi! I’m Leo! BAILEY: See, we have to bring- SCARLETT: I love how Sandy and Bailey are gonna have to edit all of this out. [Laughter] SANDY: Yes. Thanks Scarlett. Um. Oh yes. Well my favorite Veronica Mars non-soundtrack song is- SCARLETT: Oh yeah, which was the game, which I did not explain at all. SANDY: No. You didn’t. But that’s why I thought I would slip it in. The game is: your favorite Veronica Mars song that’s not on the soundtrack. And mine is Troubled Times, Fountains of Wayne. BAILEY: Oh my God. I love that song. SANDY: Me too. It’s also, I believe, from the second episode. SCARLETT: Wow. All of our favorite music is coming from Credit Where Credit’s Due. SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: Bizarre. SANDY: I’m relying completely on Scarlett for that information that Troubled Times is in Credit Where Credit’s Due. If that’s wrong, please email her and not me. Thanks. SCARLETT: No it is! I’m sure it’s when Duncan and Veronica are in the car and he’s like, “Lilly loved this song,” and Veronica’s like, “Maybe I won’t throw myself out of the car.” BAILEY: It definitely is. SANDY: Yes. Lilly loved that song and so do I. All right, Bailey. What’s yours? BAILEY: I don’t want to. I don’t- I can’t just pick one. Can I give- no. Okay. I just gotta pick one. SCARLETT: I love how you cry now. It’s like, no. You know what song I really want to hear? BAILEY: Hm. SCARLETT: Stay Don’t Go by Spoon. We’ve had a lot of Spoon songs, and it’s one of my favorites. I want Stay Don’t Go. BAILEY: Yes. That is a really good song. SCARLETT: It’s so cool. BAILEY: It is. Okay. SCARLETT: I thought I would save you the hassle of picking a favorite and just be like, yeah. BAILEY: Okay well I was about to pick- I was about to pick the first one that popped into my head. SCARLETT: Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! BAILEY: It’s- I wouldn’t say it’s my favorite. Like I said, I have a bunch of them, but the one- I was just listening to it earlier so it’s like, fresh in my mind. And it’s Damone, Now is the Time, from The Wrath of Con. That song is just so fun and I love to like, dance in my car to it and look like an idiot. SCARLETT: But I love that episode, too. BAILEY: Oh, that episode is so good. SANDY: That is a great song. That’s a good one. That’s a good pick. Um. All right, well- BAILEY: But then, wait, wait, wait! Just one more. SCARLETT: Oh okay. BAILEY: The two Taxi Doll songs that were on the show. SCARLETT: Oh yes. BAILEY: Okay. I’m shutting up now or else I will go on and on for twenty minutes about my favorite music, and by the end I will have listed every song that’s ever played on the show. [Laughs] SANDY: That’s just why you’re our music person. Well on that note, I think we are gonna cut out and we’ll come back with our inspirational message and say goodbye. And then we’ll see you guys next week. All right. BAILEY: Bye! SANDY: Bye! [Hilarious record scratch. Not what one would expect. Cameron laughs and laughs.] SANDY: Okay Pirates, we have um, I know we promised you a really content-light podcast and you probably thought we were idiots ‘cause you already saw the running time was like an hour. So, oops. Um. But we are here to close it off. Although, there are a couple things that we didn’t mention earlier that we meant to mention. SCARLETT: Yeah. Surprisingly we didn’t actually get through everything. The first thing we wanna say is that over the next few weeks, if you guys have questions about the show, we want you to send them to us. Or send them to me, and I will rifle through them. That’s scarlett@neptunepirateradio.com. And we will try and answer them. Whether that’s an actual genuine answer, as in something we deliberately know, like what was in the spy pen – Rob Thomas has told us, we know that – or whether that’s, you know, a little bit of speculation, and we’ll try and work out some answers for you. SANDY: Yes. We can fanwank anything here, kids. SCARLETT: We can. SANDY: So. Feel free to send it along, and we will find a solution. SCARLETT: And plus it’ll give us a little bit of an excuse to talk about some previous episodes that we haven’t had the chance to talk about. SANDY: Yes. Very true. SCARLETT: So there you go. SANDY: Um. And you know we’ve been reading your suggestions. We’ve seen either um, in our emails, both individually and to our group emails, and one of the things that people have been requesting is an opportunity for different people to call in and sort of ask questions. And that’s not something that we have the technology to do right now, but it’s something that we’re definitely looking into. So. Keep that in mind for the future. That might be something that we try to work out, and when and if we do we will definitely let everybody know. But until then, just email us your questions. SCARLETT: Yeah. We’re not ignoring you. SANDY: No. We’re not. We’re definitely- SCARLETT: We’re just tech-stupid. SANDY: Not really. Um. We’re just- everything is just very busy. That’s really what’s holding us up. But we definitely are taking all those things into consideration. So. Please continue to send your ideas along, and we will do our best to try and accommodate as many of them as possible. And with that I think we’re pretty much covered. SCARLETT: Send them. We do love it. Yeah. I was gonna say, I think we better end this sucker before uh, before it kind of drags on into next week and we never have an interview. SANDY: Yes. SCARLETT: So this is Scarlett with your inspirational message for the week: Every type of animal can be tamed, but not the tongue of man. –Philippine proverb. SCARLETT: We’ll see you next week. [CLOSING THEME! Brent Pocker- Neptune’s Water] BAILEY: If you enjoyed the music featured in this week’s podcast, find out more at www.neptunepirateradio.com or email me at bailey@neptunepirateradio.com. Additionally, some of the music you heard here tonight was provided by the Podshow Podsafe music network. Check it out at: http://music.podshow.com. [END BROADCAST] [Cameron is surprised by how quickly this went. She could not even be witty. Great job, girls.] [END TRANSCRIPT] |