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This podcast is produced by fans of Veronica Mars, and is in no way affiliated with the UPN/CW network, Rob Thomas, or The Powers That Be, and does not reflect the views of any of the entities creating and producing the show. Skip to: KYLEVO: Hi, this is Kyle Gallner, and you’re listening to Neptune Pirate Radio. [OPENING THEME MUSIC: Vancefurd- Pirate Song] SANDY: Aargh! What’s up, Pirates! We’re back and it’s time for yet another podcast. I hope you missed us in the two weeks that we were gone. THEO: And I hope you too missed me and the one week that I was gone. SANDY: Um… SCARLETT: Oh, we did. THEO: Excellent. Excellent. SANDY: No we didn’t. Don’t, don’t lie to him Scarlett. We didn’t miss him. SCARLETT: No. THEO: Oh no I heard you. You guys had a blast without me. It was great. SCARLETT: My nails are still painted. My hair is still braided. THEO: Yes. SANDY: It was a good time. SCARLETT: It was awesome. SANDY: It was a very good time. SCARLETT: It was girly. SANDY: It was very girly. And why do I- I noticed this when I listened back to the podcasts, that everything that other people say, I just repeat. I have no individual thoughts. I am- SCARLETT: You’re a Yes Girl, Sandy. SANDY: No I’m not! [THEO laughter] SCARLETT: Yes you are. THEO: You’re a little bit of a sycophant actually. Yeah. SANDY: But I noticed that- SCARLETT: Hey, but um. Back to an old topic. A topic of a whole five seconds ago: Where were you last week, Theo? THEO: Oh yeah. Well, you know, the last couple of weeks have been rough- SCARLETT: You abandoner. THEO: -I got arrested for DUI and uh, now it looks like I won’t be in the NBA draft after all. So uh. SANDY: Is that supposed to be funny? Is that a joke? THEO: Sorry Sandy. I know you- SANDY: Are you amused? ‘Cause I’m not. THEO: I am amused immensely. ‘Cause I know you carry a thing. You carry a thing for him. But uh, that’s okay. SCARLETT: A burning bright torch. [Cameron, the transcriber, is out of the basketball loop (hoop?)] THEO: A burning, bright flame of desire. Deep within your podcasting soul. SANDY: Well I think you could just, you know, sign off. Get booted. SCARLETT: Let’s give him a podcast. SANDY: [gasps] That would be awesome! I wish you were JJ Redick [Cameron loves Google] SCARLETT: No. No. No. THEO: Actually- and I’m not JJ Redick, even though if I were this would be a much more interesting podcast I’m sure. But uh, I was at my best friend’s wedding deep, deep in the boonies. So uh, no cell phone reception, no Internet, no lights, no motor cars, no luxuries, etc. SANDY: Aw. THEO: So uh, I missed you all. I missed everything. SANDY: Well we’re glad to have you back. THEO: I’m glad too. SANDY: In all seriousness. SCARLETT: We are. For our very, very special podcast. THEO: Well I am glad because I am back for the very special podcast just like every single episode of ER lately, apparently. It’s very, very special and very, very touching. SANDY: I know. You guys are starting to sound like a promo. SCARLETT: But no one’s gonna lose a limb here. THEO: Oh God. SANDY: Well why don’t you tell us why this is so special? What’s so cool about this podcast? THEO: I am so excited about this podcast because we get to interview the Big Bad of season – well I guess one and two SCARLETT: Dun dun dun! THEO: Kyle Gallner is coming on the show. SCARLETT: Yay! THEO: So uh, we’re happy. We’ll be talking to him a little later and uh, that is why I’m so excited. We’ve been, I know from the special bulletin we released last week everyone’s been waiting for this, and waiting for this, and so have we. And uh, we’ve been postponing this- Finally the one day it can happen that I can be here for it; it happens. So I’m just glad to be joining you today. SCARLETT: We’re all much too busy people with our busy, busy lives of things and stuff. THEO: That’s right. I like to make time for you too, so. SCARLETT: Aw. SANDY: Yes. You’re just off gallivanting around while we’re sitting here doing the podcast. Um. But you make it back in, I noticed, for the celebrity interviews. Funny how that happens. THEO: Well… I don’t know. SCARLETT: Again, there seems to be a theme here. [SANDY laughter] THEO: Kinda. No. Yeah, I wasn’t too good for you guys. I listened to the podcast last week, and I wasn’t running off with Muhney. Like, hanging out with Michael. And uh, getting my bit part on the show. So. No. I was just doing my thing. Sadly. So. SANDY: Well, if anybody out there is wondering, we will let Bailey talk to Kyle Gallner. SCARLETT: Yeah. SANDY: We’re not gonna deprive her of that. So don’t worry, she’ll- SCARLETT: Under threat of having no music ever again. THEO: Yeah. I’m not sure we had a choice in that matter, really. I heard the way she was talking about him, so. SANDY: Not to mention that she helps edit, so she could um, make you guys sound pretty bad if she was peeved about not making it onto the Kyle interview. THEO: That’s true. SCARLETT: Worse than we make us sound ourselves. THEO: That’s right. I’d make a joke but she’d just make it even worse. I’ll just stick to what I always say. So. SANDY: Excellent. Well on that note I think that we should take a break, and we will come back soon with our interview with Kyle. THEO: Excellent. SANDY: See you soon, Pirates. [Earliest break Ever. Awesome. Kyle must be here!] [Back Again by Glow Stars] SANDY: Welcome back, Pirates. As promised, we are here with none other than Cassidy Casablancas. Kyle Gallner! Hi Kyle. KYLE: Hey! SANDY: Thank you so much for stopping by to chat with us. I know everybody’s been dying to hear from you. [KYLE laughter] KYLE: Oh God. SANDY: Well. It’s tradition on Neptune Pirate Radio to play Two Truths and a Lie. You have to do it. Um, I mean you don’t, YOU don’t really have to do it. [THEO laughing] We would let you talk no matter what. But we’re gonna pretend like you have to do it. THEO: You have to do it. KYLE: Okay. I have to do it. I will do it. SANDY: All right. Perfect. SCARLETT: It’s a rite of passage. THEO: Brave man. Brave man. KYLE: I bet. Okay. So Two Truths and a Lie, right? SANDY: Yes. KYLE: All right. Okay. Two Truths and a Lie. Okay. Um. One: I had heart surgery when I was four years old. SANDY: Oh. KYLE: I got my car stolen. Or, I was a sponsored skateboarder back in Pennsylvania. BAILEY: Ooh. [This is Bailey’s first sound of the interview. Cameron is not surprised.] SANDY: Ooh. [Hms all around] SANDY: Um. BAILEY: Tricky. SANDY: It is tricky. THEO: I’m gonna, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and be the first one to say: I don’t think you had your car stolen. SCARLETT: I was gonna say that too, Theo. I agree. THEO: All right. Okay. What about the other two? SANDY: See, I think the inflection in his voice indicates that he did have his car stolen. I’m gonna say he- it’s the heart surgery. I think he probably had heart surgery, but it was at a different age. That’s my guess. Bailey? SCARLETT: Oh, you’re tricky, Sandy. BAILEY: I have to agree with Sandy. I think. SANDY: You’re gonna go with heart surgery? BAILEY: Yes. THEO: Hm. So pretty much everyone believes you’re a skateboarder, Kyle. BAILEY: Yeah, well we saw the video. THEO: That’s right. SANDY: We all saw the video on YouTube. KYLE: Well that’s actually, that’s actually the one that’s- I was never sponsored back home. Everything else is true. I skateboard but I was never sponsored. [Gasps all around. Cameron was too lame to guess.] BAILEY: Oh, you’re devious. SANDY: Oh, you suckered us in ‘cause you knew we’d know about the skateboarding. That’s tricky. [KYLE laughs] SANDY: We should’ve known. We should’ve known that the guy who plays Beaver Casablancas would be tricky and devious. THEO: Hey. His name is Cassidy. SANDY: I’m sorry. I’m sorry. You’re right. KYLE: It’s Cassidy! No longer Beaver. THEO: That’s right. That’s right. SANDY: Okay. Well we, we do have some questions for you about um, the show and about the finale. First, just to sort of start off, you seem to really have this knack for picking really complex roles, just based on your character on Veronica Mars and your character on Big Love, who I definitely have some questions about. What is it that got you into acting? Is that something you always wanted to do? KYLE: Actually I started acting a couple years ago. I had no real interest in it. It was my sister who was doing it, my older sister, Samantha, was always kind of the uh, the performer in the family. And she went to go audition for a, an agent, and I went along, and the woman there asked if I was auditioning. And I said yes. So. I auditioned. She accepted me to the agency. Oh, this was like a talent agent. This wasn’t like an official agent. And the first audition I ever went on, the woman knew I was completely clueless as to what was going on. Like, she asked me to slate, which is, you know, say your name, and I had no idea what she was talking about. [Laughter] KYLE: So. But I did the audition and they asked if they could represent me, and that’s how I got my agent. And then from there on out I just kinda, it was like a slow process of: "Oh. I like this." This is fun. And then, the slower realization of like, this is, this is good. This is kinda what I wanna do. And then it was like, okay. This is it. SANDY: Very cool. THEO: I wish I had a talented sister to pull me into things like that. KYLE: Yeah. I just hope I- yeah. I- seriously. I owe my sister everything. SANDY: Um. I hope you thank her and give her good presents. Now. Were you aware of the show Veronica Mars before you auditioned? KYLE: I, I’d heard of it. Like, my agent, you know, she, she talked to me about it. But I had never really seen it. Yeah. SANDY: Well. You certainly got um, you know, you got into, to probably more than you bargained for with the role of Cassidy. KYLE: Yeah! No. I was uh, you know. First season I was told I was gonna do three episodes and then when the season ended they uh, they approached me that I might be signing on for an entire season, which was pretty, pretty insane. BAILEY: Yeah. On that note: Did you know at that point how complex Cassidy was going to be? KYLE: No. BAILEY: Really? KYLE: Those guys are really super-secretive. Like, I had no idea that I was gonna be the bad guy until like three weeks before the final episode. THEO: Wow. We’d uh, we’d all heard that, you know, people who weren’t gonna be back in season three had been told beforehand. But uh, I guess that sort of disproves that. So you’re only told a few weeks before? KYLE: Yeah. I was- well I was. I mean they, they didn’t tell me really anything. I kinda got the scripts and went along with it. And I was guessing along with everybody else who the killer was gonna be up right until, up right until I got the last script and I was like, Oh! I guess I’m the bad guy! [Laughter. He’s so cute.] THEO: Well you had to have; you had to have some idea though. KYLE: Kinda- not really. THEO: Yeah. SCARLETT: Who did you think was the bad guy then? KYLE: I mean you know, if you go through the whole season like as this, as this nice kid and is like the last thing you expect is to be this… psychotic killer. [Laughter] SCARLETT: Oh dear. SANDY: Well who, um, Scarlett was asking this before: Who did you think was the killer then? KYLE: [mumblemumblesilence] SANDY: Oops! BAILEY: OH NO! [CAMERON: Now that’s a cliffhanger.] SANDY: Well we lost Kyle temporarily. He promised us he would call back. Um. So we’re just gonna hang out. [SCARLETT Do-dos] SANDY: Okay. We have- [Giggles] SANDY: -we’re giggling now ‘cause we had this second, minor glitch. But it’s fine! We’re back now. And everybody is here. Kyle, you’re there? KYLE: Yes. I’m in. SANDY: Woohoo! Okay. We were ask- [More giggles] SANDY: We were asking you who, if you didn’t think that Cassidy was the killer necessarily, who did you think was the guilty culprit? KYLE: No clue. SANDY: Who? KYLE: I had no clue. I didn’t even have any- I had no theories! I was the one guy on the show who was just like, “I don’t know. I’m just gonna see how it turns out.” [Laughter everywhere] KYLE: Because I mean, I- I wasn’t, I just had no logical guess. SANDY: That’s crazy. KYLE: Towards the end I kinda started guessing, like, I was like, “Ooh, that’d be kind of cool if it was me.” And it turns out that it was. THEO: Mhm. That’s nice. KYLE: So then I was just kinda- I was listening to everybody else’s theories. I- I never really had one of my own. SANDY: What were- what were other people’s theories? KYLE: Oh yeah. Everyone’s saying, everyone’s saying like, it’s Jason- or Logan. It’s, you know, it’s Dick. It’s everybody. Everybody had their own theory about everybody. SANDY: Except you. Nobody suspected sweet little Cassidy Casablancas. KYLE: Yes. Everyone needs the bad- everybody’s got a little bit of a grey area going on. BAILEY: Yeah. SANDY: Did you know anything about- I know you didn’t know that you caused the bus crash, but were you completely unaware about the abuse plotline and all that? KYLE: Yes! I had- I knew nothing. Like, they kept me in the dark completely up until, you know, up until I got the scripts about it. Which, which worked out. It was a good thing probably because then I didn’t, then I wouldn’t play the whole abuse thing. And Cassidy would just seem like this really innocent, picked-on kid. And then it was all the more shocking for everybody, including myself, that it’s like, Cassidy’s abused. BAILEY: Right. Right, well even though you didn’t know you did a fantastic job of kinda setting him up as this vulnerable character, and I think that really played into it. SANDY: Yeah. You definitely seemed dark all season. I mean there- you were really vulnerable, but there was definitely a dark element that was present. I think. KYLE: There was- yeah. There was definitely, there was definitely some hints. Like, here and there. SANDY: Well, okay. So. Here’s my question. ‘Cause I have my whole own theory on what I- what kind of person I think Cassidy Casablancas is. And the podcasters have heard me ramble on about this enough. Um. KYLE: Yeah? SANDY: So I wanna get your take on it. You know, there have been like, literally hundreds and hundreds of pages of discussion online, on LiveJournal, on Television Without Pity or any of these places, about whether Cassidy is a victim or whether he is this sociopath, evil mastermind. What do you think? KYLE: Um. I think he was probably more a victim than anything. BAILEY: Mhm. [Cameron also transcribes translations. That “Mhm”= “I KNEW IT!!!”] KYLE: You know, I- He just- he had a life full of… basically abuse from his brother. And then he- his parents never really cared about him. His parents kind of dumped him on the side of the road. And he never really had any friends up until he met Mac. And he just… he was looking for somebody to basically take him in and I think uh, he found Woody Goodman and Woody Goodman took advantage of that. THEO: Yeah. And I, I- maybe Mac just came around to late, you think? KYLE: I think Mac did come around too late. THEO: Yeah. KYLE: If Mac came around, if Mac came around earlier I definitely think things would have panned out differently. I think she was the only thing that could have possibly kept me from doing what I did. She was the only thing that really kept me grounded. She was the only thing that made me happy. THEO: Yeah. BAILEY: Right. [BAILEY: I could have made you happy…] SANDY: So he, you think he genuinely-‘Cause I’ve thought a lot about Mac and Cassidy. So you think he really loved her in both the friendship and the romantic sense, or do you think that he was just sort of attached to her ‘cause she was the first real friend that he had. KYLE: Um. I think it might have started out that they, they liked each other a lot, a lot uh, a lot more on the friendship level. But I think he really did start… falling for her. I think he really did start falling in love with her and realizing that, you know, she’s something different. She’s somebody who accepts him for who he is, somebody that can, that can make him laugh and he can be himself around her. I think he did slowly start to fall for her. BAILEY: On that note: If it hadn’t ended the way it did with everything kind of coming to the surface, do you think he would have continued to hide his past from her? Do you think he eventually over time, realizing that she-? KYLE: I think he might’ve told her. No, I think- I think yeah. I think he woulda definitely confided in her. BAILEY: Mhm. KYLE: I think over, over time he would’ve, he would’ve told her. THEO: Mhm. BAILEY: Like when the trust built between them and he realized that she wouldn’t just leave him. KYLE: Right. Yeah and he realized that she wasn’t just some person, that she was actually, you know, something really special. I think he definitely woulda, he definitely would’ve told her. THEO: Yeah. Probably when the Phoenix Land Trust checks paid out too, so he didn’t have to rely on his old man for money anymore. All that stuff. KYLE: Yeah. That too. THEO: Didn’t have to worry about where the checks were coming from, so. KYLE: Yeah. THEO: Uh, well I think, I have one question. You know. I’m sure you wish you could come back for the third season. Do you have, I mean have they asked you to do just a very short flashback scene or anything like that? Or have you pretty much severed all ties with the uh, the Veronica Mars people. KYLE: Well I think- I don’t know. See that’s the thing. Like. They never really tell you if they’re gonna do flashbacks- THEO: Right. KYLE: -but I mean somebody could be dead on Veronica Mars but could be in like, six episodes. You know? THEO: Yeah. KYLE: I think it just depends on, on how the writing goes over the season. THEO: Excellent. BAILEY: Well I personally hope to see you for six more flashback episodes. KYLE: Yeah. I think it- yeah. I think it’d be fun. I’d go back. THEO: They’d be really creepy flashback episodes though. KYLE: Yeah. That’d be sweet. Show like, show like, how crazy Cassidy really was. THEO: Excellent. [Laughter and silence] [Giggles] SCARLETT: Sorry. I was just having a moment there, thinking of all the flashbacks we could have. I was like, yeah. Kicking kittens and- [Noise all at once!] BAILEY: I think that’s what we all were. SCARLETT: That’s a creepy thought. THEO: That’s right. KYLE: Cool. BAILEY: I think I can speak for all of us here, that we’ve all kind of gotten addicted to Big Love. THEO: Oh yeah. BAILEY: And I think, I- I tuned in just to see the cast of Veronica Mars in something else. But, it’s really addictive once you start watching. THEO: Yeah. Actually I had, I had no idea that so many of the Veronica Mars people were on there, and I’m watching it with a big group of people. And all of a sudden I see you on one of the episodes and I’m like, “It’s Beaver!” [Wild laughter] THEO: And I literally scream, “It’s Beaver!” in the middle of a crowd, and uh, so thanks for that. [Cameron would like Theo to know that she typed “BEAVER” instead of “KYLE” because of his continuous shouting. Please do not corrupt the transcriber, Theo.] KYLE: You’re welcome. Yeah I had- yeah. I had no idea until we started filming that that many people. SANDY: Well I love the show. I’m totally addicted to it now. BAILEY: Oh I know. SANDY: And, you know, I have some questions ‘cause I don’t know if I’m just transferring Veronica Mars onto the show, but I’m seeing shades of Cassidy in Jason. Is this wrong of me? KYLE: You see what? SANDY: I see shades of Cassidy in, in your new character. In Jason. I’m starting to wonder if he’s got some sort of- BAILEY: He has the same eyes, the same mouth, the same nose… SCARLETT: Creepiness! [Laughter] KYLE: You, you see Jason- SCARLETT: The same hair… SANDY: No! KYLE: Too much of Cassidy going through in uh, Big Love. Um. I don’t know. You know, I think- I don’t think I’m evil… in Big Love. [Laughter] KYLE: Uh. You know I’m kinda the voice of reason maybe, but. Oh, I don’t know if it’s gonna go that way. SANDY: See- BAILEY: I think that it’s more that he’s got, that there’s something under the surface that we’re not really seeing yet. KYLE: Yeah. BAILEY: But it’s kind of bubbling there. And it seems like more comp- KYLE: Yeah, there’s something. There’s something, there’s something they talked about with me that I’m not really sure which way they’re gonna go with it. And uh, I don’t even know if I’m coming back for season two yet. It’s kind of up in the air. THEO: Oh no. SANDY: Interesting. Well. You- KYLE: There’s a lot… there’s a lot of potential in that one. SANDY: Now. I know um, when we were talking about planning this interview, that you are working on a new film project. Is that right? KYLE: Yeah. I’m working on uh, a movie that was originally titled Sublime. But they’ve, they’ve re-titled it to The Hospital, which I think is kinda just a potential name. SANDY: Okay. Can you tell us anything about it? KYLE: Um. SANDY: If you can’t that’s okay. KYLE: Basically uh. No, it’s basically just kinda, you know it’s a psychological kinda… I don’t know if it’s really a thriller but it’s- I play the son. I don’t know. There’s not, you know, there’s not too much to it for me. I’m not [something]. It’s just, you know, playing the son in the movie. [KYLE laughs at himself] SANDY: Well we’re still gonna go see it just because. THEO: Well we’ll have to see it now and we’ll make everyone we know see it too. So. KYLE: Yes. [Laughs] SANDY: Well. I wanna go back to Veronica Mars for a second if that’s okay. Because I continue to have questions about- I’m going through my season two rewatch where I’m rewatching all the episodes. KYLE: Right. SANDY: And I’m looking for like, hints and clues. And they’re so there! They’re all over the place. KYLE: Yeah. SANDY: Um. Going back to Leave it to Beaver. Since, you know, you’re the title character in both season finales. KYLE: Right. SANDY: What do you think was his motivation, if he’s at this point, already a rapist, for telling Veronica about Logan’s alibi? It seems like if he had kind of, you know, violated Veronica in that way, that he wouldn’t necessarily feel any loyalty to giving her information. Was he, was he legitimately trying to help her out? KYLE: I think it was a mixture of legitimately trying to help ‘em out, help her out, and then kinda, maybe thrown her off track a little bit. THEO: Mhm. That makes sense. KYLE: Which she wasn’t. She- she’d be like, oh, Beaver’s a good guy. He’s helping me out with information. Don’t suspect him of anything. Like, not like that. I think helping her out but also looking out for myself. SANDY: Interesting. And sticking it to Logan a little bit. THEO: Yeah. BAILEY: Yes. SCARLETT: Everybody likes to do that. [Laughter] BAILEY: Scarlett, are you being naughty? SCARLETT: No. [Laughter] BAILEY: I’m sorry! You’re talking about Beaver and it- your mind just reverts to that of an eighth grader. You can’t help it. KYLE: I know. Yeah. I mean it’s funny. SCARLETT: It’s true. KYLE: Dick and Beaver, it’s just. Dick and Beaver. Woody Goodman. [Laughter] THEO: Yeah. There’s lot of those little double entendres there. BAILEY: That let’s you get to that point where you’re like, Dick and Beaver. Ha ha ha ha! [Stunned silence] KYLE: That show just, aw. That show gets away with so much. It cracks me up. SCARLETT: We love it. KYLE: Yeah. SANDY: It’s crazy! It’s like; did Standards and Practices go to sleep? THEO: Yeah. SANDY: I mean I love it. THEO: Yeah. Actually my three-year-old nephew has started doing the Shocker when people ask him how old he is. He holds up the Shocker. [Laughter. Cameron laughs forever.] KYLE: That is incredible. [More laughter] SANDY: It’s incredibly wrong. KYLE: Dude. I saw them. I had no idea the two of them were gonna do that, and we’re filming outside at the pool. And I’m standing there, and the camera cut my face off; it’s just my chest. And they threw it up, and my face… I was shocked! [Laughter] SANDY: You were in fact shocked by the gesture. [More laughter] KYLE: And then it was funny, ‘cause I don’t think the director knew what it was until the episode was done filming. THEO: Yeah. KYLE: So it was just like, aw. THEO: My sister, my sister sure didn’t. And then she saw her son throw up the Shocker, and I had to explain. And it was, it was fun. I blame Veronica Mars, so. You know. KYLE: Well, you know what the funny thing is, Jason didn’t know what it was until Ryan told him that day. [More laughter. Cameron actually dies a little from lack of oxygen. Her love for Ryan grows.] BAILEY: It’s like, hey, let me show off what I learned today. KYLE: It is! SCARLETT: It is like eighth grade! KYLE: Hey, hey, let’s do this! Let’s do this in the episode! It’ll be great. [Laughter] SANDY: Wow. So. So Ryan, is he- KYLE: The fact that it actually made it on air was what… SANDY: Yeah. That is crazy. THEO: But twice! Twice! KYLE: Yeah. I couldn’t believe it. BAILEY: Dirty Sanchez, anyone? [Bailey will deny it in a moment, but it totally sounds like she’s offering. Laughter all over the keyboard, in the form of Cameron’s spit-take.] THEO: Oh God. Don’t get me started on the rim job thing either. SANDY: Yeah. We can spend all day going through all of the dirty things that this show gets away with. THEO: Yeah. We really could. We are in eighth grade. Yeah. It’s great. BAILEY: Yay. It’s fun. SANDY: Well I think it’s probably clear that we go through the episodes with a fine-toothed comb, Kyle. KYLE: Yeah. SANDY: Obviously we’re big, big fans of Veronica Mars. I don’t know if you picked up on that yet. Um. But we are. Is there anything that you get totally geeky for, that you go through with a fine-toothed comb, or you would travel, you know, to go meet the cast members of, or is there a book you’re really into? KYLE: Ooh. Anything I’m really geeky over. I mean, if I see- I guess. I don’t think it’s something I’m tremendously- there’s nothing I’m specifically geeky over. It’s kinda like if there’s a really good movie I’m meticulous about like, certain scenes or you know, rewind I, you know, and watch it like six times. Like. Make that person do that there… I guess for movies I’m really, I’m- for a good movie I’m pretty uh, I’m pretty geeky over that. SANDY: Do you have a favorite one? KYLE: Um. I don’t really have a favorite movie. I- I have a bunch of ‘em. I’m a huge DiCaprio fan, like a huge Edward Norton fan. Uh. You know, Tom Hanks. Daniel Day-Lewis. All that. Anything those guys are in I’m just; I’m all over it. THEO: Very good. BAILEY: Edward Norton is beyond amazing. [Giggles] KYLE: Edward Norton is one of my all-time heroes. BAILEY: I was just watching American History X earlier, actually. THEO: A worthy hero. KYLE: Yeah I watched that the other day. I watched that the other day. That was, it- I mean for like the fifth time. But it doesn’t get old. BAILEY: Yeah. That movie is so good. KYLE: Incredible. And then Shawshank Redemption’s been playing on the Movie Channel. [This piece of the segment brought to you by: Bailey loves Kyle 4eva. Don’t worry, Bailey. This will be edited out.] THEO: Oh yeah. KYLE: I’ve seen that like five times in four days. SANDY: Wow. THEO: I think that’s the one show [film] that no matter how many times it comes on you actually can just sit there and watch it and enjoy it even if you’ve seen it three days ago. KYLE: No matter where, no matter where you start it from you’ll just sit down and watch it. THEO: Yeah. Absolutely. BAILEY: Exactly. On that same vein: music. Do you have any specific type of music that you like or a specific group or a song or…? I’m the music person around here, so. KYLE: Music saves lives. BAILEY: Oh it does. KYLE: No I’m, I- geez. I constantly have my iPod. Um. I’m not- I’m pretty much always [Really funny BG sound] not a big uh, not too big a country fan or, you know. I’ll basically just put my iPod on shuffle and then go. Whatever comes up, comes up. THEO: Mhm. SANDY: Well we, you know, we were talking about the sort of geeky factor and all that before. Veronica Mars, I’m sure you know, has a huge, huge online following. KYLE: Yes. SANDY: Do you pay attention- I know there are some of the cast members like Ryan, Ryan Hansen for one, who do follow the online community or do check out the message boards. Do you follow the online community at all? KYLE: I’ve- I’ve checked it out. It’s- it’s pretty, it’s pretty amazing like, just how these people will just like, analyze an episode to death. And it was interesting right when it came up to the end of it, the- I checked out to see what people’s theories were for who the killer was, and some of ‘em got really close. THEO: Mhm. SANDY: Yeah. KYLE: Just about like, hit it head on. It was pretty; it’s pretty amazing. And like their reasons for, you know, picking one thing over another was, was amazing. I don’t think, I don’t even think I understood it that well and I was in ‘em. [Laughter] KYLE: It’s crazy! SANDY: Yeah. BAILEY: I think that with last season Rob kinda taught us to look in the direction that you wouldn’t normally look in, and then try to find something there. KYLE: Yeah. Yeah there’s a lot of, a lot of subtleties. BAILEY: Right. SANDY: Well in, you know, everybody online, ourselves included, are watching the show with 200 other people essentially. So you have different people picking up on different things, and I think it was sort of collaborating. You know it, it makes it easier to spot those things that I think the casual viewer watching would never have guessed. KYLE: Right. Yeah. It’s, it’s- it’s pretty incredible. SANDY: Well. We certainly loved it. BAILEY: Yes. Um. Going back to the finale, if that’s okay. Um. That, that final scene, which had me bawling like a baby, by the way, there’s this point in time where it’s kind of like Cassidy sees everything kind of blow up in his face and all his bravado goes away. And he kind of turns back to this scared kid who thinks there’s no other way- he has no exits. What do you think was going through his head in that scene right before he jumped? KYLE: Probably wishing he could just tell everybody he’s sorry. BAILEY: Right. THEO: Mhm. KYLE: And to have everything have gone a totally different way. BAILEY: Yeah. SANDY: So you think he was remorseful? KYLE: Yeah. You know, he was crazy and he basically did go crazy, but he’s just- I think in that moment he realized everything he did was beyond wrong and just wished everything could have changed. BAILEY: Right. THEO: Makes sense. KYLE: Everything could have been, you know. Had a family, had like a secure family life and friends. THEO: Yeah. Yeah. Throwing yourself off a roof isn’t really what you do if you think you have options and you’re justified in whatever you’ve done, so. KYLE: No. No that’s, that’s pretty uh, that’s pretty uh, last resort. THEO: Mhm. SANDY: That’s pretty final. THEO: Literally. SCARLETT: That’s pretty heartless to ask for something to live for and then Logan and Veronica just stare at, at Cassidy, kind of with no answers. It is kind of sad. [THEO laughter] THEO: Yeah. The scene where uh- SCARLETT: Who wouldn’t jump? KYLE: That’s the thing. There’s nothing. It’s like; if I had stayed I’d be in jail for the rest of my life. BAILEY: And not only that, it’s that your whole secret that, his whole secret, sorry, would- KYLE: Right. BAILEY: -that he’s tried so hard to cover up would be just completely exposed. And he has his family who’s not supportive at all. I mean, his nickname is Beaver, which is an effeminate nickname, and he’s kind of seen by his peers as this really we- THEO: Really? [Laughter] BAILEY: Really! As this weak- as this weakling. KYLE: No! [Laughter] BAILEY: I’m trying to be, I’m trying to be serious people. [Giggles] BAILEY: Um. Now I don’t even know what I was talking about. SANDY: It’s because- you know- THEO: Just say Beaver. KYLE: No. You’re right. You’re right. If I didn’t jump off the roof all those secrets that I tried to keep secret would have come out, and I would have lived with what I had thought was the humiliation of, you know, being molested. BAILEY: Right. THEO: Well I have a feeling that the molestation won’t be the- won’t be the first line of Beaver’s obituary. So. [Laughter] KYLE: No. I don’t think that’ll really be mentioned. THEO: Yeah. I think they’re gonna overlook that for the uh, whole mass-murderer aspect. KYLE: Yeah. SANDY: Now I read in another interview that, that Beaver- that you believe that Beaver was really protective of Mac. KYLE: Yup. SANDY: Um. And then that’s why he stole the clothes and whatnot? KYLE: Yeah. SANDY: Um. Do you think he had any sort of… do you think he would have behaved the same way towards Dick? Do you think that there would have been any sort of protective element between, between Beaver and his brother even though his brother sort of treated him poorly? Do you think that he still cared about Dick or sought approval from him? KYLE: Yeah. I think it was like that little brother complex. I mean he’s just, you know, no matter what Dick is family. And I mean you see, you see scenes where, you know, he’s as mean as he possibly can be to me, but then there’s also scenes where me and him showed up, you know, drunk to the sleepover party. I mean he didn’t have to bring me. SANDY: Right. KYLE: You know? It’s just, there’s scenes where I think- I think we got along a little better than the show might have shown. Maybe in like, home life that was never, that was never shown. I think at home things might have been a little different. BAILEY: Right. KYLE: Like, I don’t think we were great. I don’t think he was as mean a person at home as he would be in his everyday life. THEO: Well, it seems like you two were the only family you had. Your father and your mother were both sort of absentee. So there’s gotta be, there’s gotta be a love-hate relationship there. But as an older brother who frequently picks on his younger brother, it’s sort of the “no one picks on him but me” sort of defensiveness. So, and I can see that a lot with Dick and Beaver too. KYLE: Exactly. Exactly. I have a little brother too and it’s like, you know I can mess with him, but the day I see somebody else messing with him is- THEO: Oh yeah. KYLE: -it’s uh, there’s gonna be- there’s gonna be trouble. You know? Yeah. That’s exactly what it is. It’s like nobody picks on him, picks on him but me. THEO: Mhm. BAILEY: I think Dick just is obsessed with how he comes off to people. And what impression he- [THEO laughter] BAILEY: Shut up! The impression he gives. [SCAR giggles] BAILEY: And I think that the way he behaves with Cassidy in public has a lot to do with that. KYLE: Right. He just wanted to, you know, he wanted to look cool. He wanted to look popular. To do that he would pick on me. SANDY: I think that came across though. I think you and Ryan had really good chemistry together as, as brothers. And I think, you know, even if it wasn’t explicit in the text I think in the lines that you said. It seemed to me that there was some affection there. KYLE: Right. SANDY: Between the two of you. Well very cool. Well that’s all the questions I have. Guys, do you have any more questions? THEO: I think that does it for me. SCARLETT: No, I’m good thank you. BAILEY: I’m through. SANDY: Okay. All right. Well thanks so much Kyle. BAILEY: Thanks! SCARLETT: Bye! KYLE: Yeah Cool. [Musical Break! A lovely Mary Jo by The Annabel Chongs. Cameron is afraid she will love Cassidy now that she loves Kyle so much. Thanks, Kyle!] THEO: Welcome back to the show, Pirate fans. That interview was amazing. I’m so glad we did it. Kyle’s so awesome for doing that for us. SANDY: He really was. I- what a treat. He was absolutely a complete professional and totally adorable. THEO: Absolutely. SANDY: And I’m so glad that he agreed to come talk with us. It was really nice. THEO: I am amazed. I am too. But we’re not the only people he’s been talking to lately. SANDY: No. That’s true. He did an interview with Popgurls magazine. And we really tried since both of these interviews came out around- The Popgurls interview came out on Wednesday? That’s the first time I saw it. And our interview is obviously coming out um, now. Um. We tried not to repeat a lot of the same questions so you should definitely go check it out for more on what Kyle has to say about the finale and filming the finale and how it was shot, and his thoughts on Cassidy. It’s a good read. THEO: Uh. In other good news, I hear that Veronica Mars is back on the air in Australia. SANDY: That’s right. THEO: So a treat for all our fans down under. SANDY: That’s right. Um. Our listener Ellen wrote us to let us know that in fact Australian TV has picked the show back up and it will be on Fridays at 9:30pm. So. Definitely go check it out, Australia fans. THEO: That’ll be good. I’m so glad it got back on the air. I was really afraid because everyone- a lot of people emailed me from Australia and they’re like, “You know we’ve been downloading the episodes religiously.” But I’m so glad it’s back on the air for the general, non-downloading population. SANDY: Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, speaking of broadcasting in other countries: Scarlett, who obviously is our UK counterpart, emailed and let us know that there have been advertisements on British- in the UK for season two. So that’s also terrific. THEO: That is awesome. SANDY: And those ads look really great. I’ve seen them and so we’re just spreading all over the world. Continuing to do so. So. That’s always a good thing. THEO: Yeah. SANDY: Yay! THEO: I think there was some other season two news that came out, uh, this week. SANDY: There was. THEO: I think the featurettes on the season two DVDs. SANDY: Yes. The back cover art. THEO: Wow. This week is full of stuff. SANDY: I know! There’s like, so much news. The back cover art for the season two DVDs was released, and you can check that out. You can see all the characters on the back of that. I’m not really thrilled with the, the write-up that they did for the back cover art. It’s kind of bizarre and isn’t particularly well written. But what is cool is that it does list the special features that are gonna be, um, in the season two DVDs, which include two featurettes. One of those is a Behind the Scenes look at a day in the life of Kristen Bell. Veronica Mars. And there’s gonna be a gag reel and deleted scenes. So I think it should be really great, and I’m really excited. Definitely a lot more there. THEO: I always love gag reels. I don’t know why, but every time I get a set of DVDs, like the television shows on DVD, I always immediately watch the gag reel. SANDY: Me too. I love them. And you know- THEO: It’s just me I guess. SANDY: You know this already, Theo, but I might as well. Okay. First of all, before I continue on, I should let everybody know that Cameron, our transcriber, is on the line with us. Hi Cameron! CAM: Hey guys. [Cameron apologizes for her murky audio. She thinks it was a problem with the mic. Or it could have been her mouthful of wind chimes. One of the two.] SANDY: Um. We decided that we- THEO: How’s it going Cameron? CAM: It’s going good. SANDY: Well you had never had to do your Two Truths and a Lie, so we had to bring you on so that we could do that. CAM: Oh yeah. That’s true. SANDY: Because it was unfair that you didn’t have to do it and we like, make Michael Muhney and Kyle Gallner do it, so we had to make you do it. But you will appreciate this and that’s why I was like, oh we have to introduce her. Um. Speaking of gag reels- this is like so tangential it’s completely ridiculous. But. [THEO laughter] SANDY: I am totally, totally, totally obsessed with fan music videos. [Email her] CAM: Oh no. THEO: I know. SANDY: They are like my secret sick- THEO: I- No. No. No. They really should have stayed your secret sick, obsessive… [Laughter] SANDY: Well, I recently have been trying to get Cameron into them, and I constantly email her and say, “You have to check this one out.” Or I’ll message them, or I’ll send her the files. Is this right? [THEO laughs] CAM: It’s true. SANDY: Um. Yeah. I do this all the time. So. I love when gag reels- THEO: I think you sent me a few of those and I just kind of give you an odd look. SANDY: Yeah. Well. They-the best ones, I think- CAM: An odd look through the Internet. SANDY: I can feel his hurtful gaze anywhere. THEO: That’s right. [Laughter] SANDY: Um. No. I was gonna say that I love when people make fan vids and they use the gag reels, because you get the cast in a sort of really natural, silly light. And it makes me happy. And that’s how that all comes together. Um. Speaking of random other things about my life that people don’t care about. Um. During the Kyle interview you probably noticed that at certain parts there were a lot of scratching/weird swishing noises/background noise. [THEO maniacally laughs. CAM holds the mic away to laugh.] THEO: Yes. SANDY: And that’s because my dog was running all over my house the whole time we were doing the interview. And I couldn’t like, I mean I’m not gonna put somebody like Kyle Gallner on hold. You know what I mean? I’m not gonna be like, “Hang on.” THEO: To yell at your dog? Now, see this is why- because I’ve been put on hold to yell at your dog before. And I’m sure everyone in the podcast has, so. SANDY: Not to yell at her! I don’t yell at her! I gently persuade her to stop doing whatever she’s doing that’s wrong. Um. But I couldn’t do that with Kyle on the line. So. That is why you have the weird background noise. I’m sorry. THEO: So. Two Truths and a Dare time I guess. SANDY: Um. Two Truths and a Lie. Who does Two Truths and a Dare? That’s a totally different game. THEO: Two Truths and a Dare? Who does that? I can’t believe I said that. Oh my God. SANDY: We should start making our special guests do that. That would be awesome. THEO: I think that would be fun. CAM: That sounds like a Lilly game. SANDY: Um. Michael. Two Truths and a Dare. Come visit me in Atlanta. You, you said you’d do it! You said you’d do it! You gotta come visit. THEO: So you just skipped the Two Truths, I guess. SANDY: Yes. One: Michael. How much do you want to come to Atlanta? THEO: All right. All right. SANDY: Yeah. I would- it would be perfect. Um. All right. THEO: Do you have enough in your bank account to cover our plane ticket? SANDY: Exactly. Exactly. THEO: All right. Okay. I swear. I’m sorry. Two Truths and a Lie. SANDY: Bring it on. CAM: Okay. All right. Are you guys ready? SANDY: Yes. THEO: I’m ready. CAM: Okay. All right. Uh. Number one. It’s- of my three mysterious statements. Um. Like Weevil, I ride a badass motorcycle. SANDY: Ooh. CAM: Um. But I was never in a gang. Um. Number two- SANDY: I was concerned. CAM: Number two- you know. I come off that way. I know. Number Two: Like Meg, I have survived a bus crash. Um. Again. No coma baby for me. [They laugh to humor Cameron. Such nice hosts.] THEO: That’s good to hear. CAM: I’m- I’m really bitter about that so I’ve just- I’ve always gotta- THEO: I know. CAM: Slip that in. THEO: Well if it makes you feel any better, she didn’t survive for very long. So. [CAM laughs] CAM: That does not make me feel better. Number Three: I also had a friend in high school whose nickname was Butters. And um, that’s it. So. SANDY: All right. Interesting. CAM: Go ahead and guess. SANDY: I’m gonna say that you were never in a bus crash. Or that you just were in a bus crash but you didn’t survive. Badump-bump. [Laughter] THEO: She’s actually coming, joining us from beyond the grave. Excellent. SANDY: Yes. THEO: It’s our Veronica Mars/paranormal podcast. Excellent. Um. God. What. We’ve already have Kyle come on from beyond the grave, right? So. SANDY: That’s true. THEO: That’s right. Um. Aw God. I’m gonna guess you. Aw. I don’t- I don’t wanna- I’m gonna guess you didn’t have a friend named Butters in high school. That’s my guess. ‘Cause I think you’re badass enough to be on a bike. That’s my guess. [CAM laughs] CAM: Okay. I uh, I do ride a motorcycle. So. THEO: Woohoo! CAM: That’s, that’s correct. And I uh, I did have a friend in high school whose nickname was Butters. THEO: Damn it! SANDY: Oh! Booyah! CAM: It looks like Sandy’s got it. I didn’t survive the bus crash. THEO: I always lose at these things. [Laughter] SANDY: And I always win. CAM: Oh Theo, I’m sorry. SANDY: Good. Um. On that note we are gonna take a break and we’ll come back with our inspirational message and close out the podcast. See you guys soon. [Oh fake breaks, how Cameron has missed you. Don’t you love the way you make her fingers twitch in remorse?] SCARVO: Hi guys. This is Scarlett with some of your questions in my little mailbag. Firstly, you’re not very observant, or whatever observant is when you’re listening. Sandy has previously told you what was in the spy pen on air. But just for anybody that didn’t get it, Rob Thomas told us that inside the spy pen was a threatening kind of love letter to Lilly from Weevil. So it’s romantic. It’s threatening. It’s threat-mantic. If you watch The Fairly OddParents, you’ll know what I’m talking about. SCARVO: I’ve got a couple of other questions people have asked me to answer. In Return of the Kane, season one, how would framing Veronica help get Wanda into college? SCARVO: Now. I’m gonna assume that Sheriff Lamb thinks there’s evil going on in Neptune High pretty much permanently. And because Wanda was caught in possession of drugs and needed to keep her record clean, she had to hand in a certain amount of people. And I’m guessing if she didn’t or she stopped handing in people whenever she got a lead, they would probably be like, “Well. What are you doing? You haven’t given us anyone for a while.” And uh, she could get in trouble again. So that’s my answer. That’s how I’m working it. SCARVO: Here’s a favorite of mine. Did Beaver throw up on Carrie Bishop’s shoes or was that just something he made up? SCARVO: I like to think he did. It’s likely that he could have because he was so disgusted with himself after he raped Veronica. That works, doesn’t it? So I’m gonna say yes. Yes, he did throw up on Carrie Bishop’s shoes. SCARVO: Um. Okay. What happened to the girl who stabbed Aaron Echolls? Well I like to think that she got a trophy, and a tiara, and a parade. But uh, more than likely she was probably imprisoned. I’m sure. He would have tried to get her the maximum kind of sentence. Probably not what we wanted. SCARVO: And uh, I have another one here, another good one that I hadn’t thought about, and I forgot I had this question. Veronica’s mom Lianne: Where is she now and what is she doing? SCARVO: I’m gonna say she has hooked up with Clarence Weidman and they are tracking around Vegas together with her 50 grand she stole from Veronica. And I think that, you know, Clarence took a little detour to do some work for Duncan, but apart from that him and Lianne are hitting all the casinos, and knocking down a few. That’s what I would like to think. Oh my God. Just imagine Clarence Wiedman as Veronica’s stepdad. Have we taken a moment? Yeah. That was scary. SCARVO: Um. My… next question – I’ve lost count of the numbers – is: Did Veronica send the email about Todd to all of his pledges even though Carmen deleted it? SCARVO: Um. I don’t think she did. I think that season one Veronica was a little bit more respectful of people’s wishes when it came to things like that. And um, I don’t think she’d go to the trouble of recovering the email just to send out when clearly Carmen didn’t want it done. But that’s just me. Maybe I’m giving her too much faith. I don’t think she would have done it unless Todd gave her a personal reason to hate him. Which he hadn’t until the end when she ripped off his tattoo, so. Maybe she went home after ripping off his tattoo, really pissed off, and sent the email. How dare you tell me my secret boyfriend’s a drug dealer, which led indirectly to my rape! So, yeah. Maybe. SCARVO: Anyway guys, that’s all the questions I’ve got right now. If you want to send me some more, it’s scarlett@neptunepirateradio.com. That’s scarlett@neptunepirateradio.com. SANDY: What’s up, Pirates? It’s Sandy. And first of all, I just wanna let you know that despite what she said, Scarlett does in fact know that Tad’s name is Tad and not Todd. So I will just leave you all with this week’s inspirational message inspired by our oh-so-special guest, Kyle Gallner. SANDY: It is today, my dear, that I take a perilous leap. –Voltaire SANDY: We’ll see you next time, Pirates. [CLOSING THEME. Brent Pocker- Neptune’s Water] BAILEY: If you enjoyed the music featured in this week’s podcast, find out more at www.neptunepirateradio.com or email me at bailey@neptunepirateradio.com. Additionally, some of the music you heard here tonight was provided by the Podshow Podsafe music network. Check it out at: http://music.podshow.com. [END BROADCAST] [Cameron thought Kyle Gallner was lovely. Thank you, Kyle! Also, special thanks to our producer, Sandy, for her hard work in making it happen. Thank you!] [END TRANSCRIPT] |